Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.
" I guess your mom told you about my little problem. :( But, to be perfectly honest. Even a boeing 747 looks small when its flying into the grand canyon. Facts are facts. And the fact that people continue to troll people pointing out those facts. Well, that just goes to show how truly desperate to be right some people really are. Il probably get reported for my above comment. But remember I didnt start it, i just responded to it. Big difference. " OMG DUDE stop trolling with the facts. ..... Que random insult please. Last edited by MrNecro#3599 on Feb 28, 2013, 3:20:30 PM
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Omg, this loot system sucks. Everybody ninja my loot, im lvl 80 and have no decent items coz everybody ninja. Today i was farming ledge cruel in public party and somebody ninjaed MY chromatic orb. i wont play this game anymore, unless devs give me my chromatic orb back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111111
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" exactly, give loot options to players and let them DECIDE what loot system they want in any given pary (via party leader ofc) this is ALL we ask for....if players do not choose FFA cause they like the "easier" loot then they proved that they were the worst FFA Defenders and assholes... FFA is a PvP Element (fight for loot) and as we have choise on WHEN to pvp we ask (or demand) that option to apply in the loot system also...enforcing pvp doesnt' make the game more hardcore or better i still do not get why the ffa defenders do not want loot options...they are not so hardcore as it seems (they will take the easy path given the choise) When you judge another, you do not define them, you define yourself
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" or play solo only...i have reached merci docks PURE solo (i only partied today to get the dock WP :p and left instantly) When you judge another, you do not define them, you define yourself
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" last time i checked PoE is advertised as multiplayer aRPG... When you judge another, you do not define them, you define yourself
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" Says the guy who thinks his opinions of what the game should is better than what the current game is. FACTS is what the game is. Am I living in a fantasy world? Are we not all playing the same game with FFA loot? OPINION is what you keep typing out over and over again. Because you don't like the current system. |
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" Loot options are lame. You already have options. If instanced loot becomes available no one will play FFA loot. Its as simple as that. So called FFA defenders maybe assholes. But,, they are not stupid. And it would be pointless to have both in this game unless FFA has some HUGE benefit. Besides calling FFA defenders assholes is kind of stupid since the creators of the games are FFA supporters. Last edited by MrNecro#3599 on Feb 28, 2013, 3:35:40 PM
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" No but it's a fun aspect of the game I wish I could explore endgame without feeling as on edge about loot as on edge I get when I play hardcore. I don't mind solo play, I'm sure this thread is filled with whiners who hate solo play but I'm twice as pleased with PoE over D3 as far as solo play goes. That being said group play still needs help if it were to become just as fun. I get that as a witch summoner I shouldn't expect to rake in the mad monies as a back line attacker but I've had currency and gem drops before where I spend a good 30 seconds clicking the item only to have it go to someone else. The idea that the only solution is to stop playing in groups is beyond unacceptable as a final response, if anything Chris's letter seems to encourage the kind of debate that would come out of a discussion. Grouping should be a fun activity for everyone involved who agrees to the rules of the game before it starts. If someone joins in a game and doesn't like the rules and there's nothing anyone can do to help change those rules the expectation is that less fun will be had. Even worse when people have "gentleman's agreements" and then a fight erupts over someone taking a common gem. I had a guy spout antisemitic nonsense at my group members for 10+ minutes before calming down. I'm of the firm opinion that there's nothing GGG can do to stop this kind of behavior once it starts, but they can work to stop the behavior before it starts. Had this guy joined a session that gets a ding to rarity or quantity in exchange for named loots for longer I don't think he would have been so racist. At least not for that long, and not for such a silly reason. GGG should do whatever they want, but if you're asking me, give me options and balance it. I love the idea that currency drops should be given to your inventory immediately as they drop/as they enter your screen as they're the building blocks for what it means to survive on this path. The idea that your character should be able to walk past an Exalted Orb and somehow choose not to pick it up seems like they're taking the character's decisions to completely screw over their game too far. If an action for the character is beyond obvious it should be a function of what the character does without needing my input. Currency drops? Just give them to people, let us fight over rares and maps and stuff, that would be an acceptable enough compromise to me. IGN Wraeclastt
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" If hard coded options were added for a party leader most people would choose to circumvent the FFA system because of the added difficulty it presents. simple. I play in some non-competitive groups, we do it by choice not force, in many ways this IS the goal. The start condition is FFA though, and it can always devolve back to that state if people do not agree and cooperate. There is a great deal of bellyaching on the forums, and most if not all of the things they are complaining about are actually good for the games longevity. Sometimes I hate the FFA system too. Really. I solo often, and think carefully before I join groups because of it, almost exactly as I did in D2. Still, I think it’s far better than mindlessly joining any group knowing there is no potential downside. I'm guilty of this too. The first time I was one-shot by Vaal in ruthless I wrote an angry letter to Chris telling him how unbalanced that fight was. Looking back, I was just new and did not have enough lightening resist and hp that’s all… I re-read that letter now and cringe. |
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" And last time I checked, the developers, when asked, said the game is "primarily a single player game." I haven't seen any advertisements sent out by GGG. At all. I've only seen players advertising the game, and players tend to get things wrong. Just my opinion, of course, but if tested, I am certain it would be true. ---------------------------------------------------/reply to killbilly It's funny. I've been on this thread so long and I just realized that any time someone states why they want FFA-only to stay for their reasons, regardless of what reasons they give, the players for other loot systems (particularly iamstryker) harass them. I'm not saying you reply and counter their reasons. I'm saying you are intentionally hostile when doing it. If you do it, which you usually don't. You just say, "That's not a good enough reason." or equivalent of and ignore it, which isn't countering, btw, just stating opinions. (Hypocrisy *cough*) I'm going to quote you to show you where this comes in. " The boldened part specifically. I've seen something similar in every other post you've made. Every single one (that I've seen of course, and that's a lot, considering how long I've been posting here). Yes, MrNecro was being a bit of an ass and being hostile as well, but there are some people that haven't. Yet you are hostile regardless, stating that the people who are against your position are essentially idiots. Which is what the boldened part insinuates. Like you are the best and everyone must adhere to your desires and beliefs. Hypocrisy in it's finest. If you want evidence of your hypocrisy (facts, as you refer to them and so do I), " Sounds like an assumption with no evidence to support it. Is that? ... Yes, it's an opinion. You demand fact, utterly, yet hurl opinions as insults to make people think you are right. But back to that last part... It's also an insult. An unnecessary insult. He was simply adding his view and reasons for it to the debate and you insult him and everyone who aligns with him because his view is against your own. No hostility at all from him. This is what I'm talking about. I either consider you a troll or a child who is angry he doesn't get what he wants who knows how to use "facts" but doesn't understand that facts can't be all a decision is based on. If it is, we lose our humanity and then everyone loses, but I would guess that's over your head (based on the child comment). Note that everything I say is based on things I derive from evidence. Meaning, it is based on fact (i.e. You said this, therefore, this is true about you, so this must also be true about you) Just so you know how to do it. I also like how you so adherently (You literally do it to almost every post) quote a section that is easily insultable and easy to defend against while ignoring the rest. One of the few people who are for options besides FFA-only who actually makes a good argument without being an ass or defending only one point and ignoring all others is XCodes (though mercehtron or whatever his name was does this too). Besides those two, most people who are against FFA-only post like this: " I'm not even kidding. There have been many of them like this since I started posting here. If they can't type correctly, I don't think their opinion should be considered for much. The idea that people who can't type correctly and just hurls unwarranted insults willy-nilly have actually considered what changes to the loot system mean for the game and the player base is just ... crazy. The people who are for FFA-only that post short insults (usually) at least type correctly showing they have SOME form of competency at least. The former are children angry they don't get what they want and should be treated as such. And yes, this post is dripping with hostility and insults. Simply because the people it's directed at have done the same whether they had cause to or not. And by the way, I don't expect you (players who want options, the ability to choose) to understand why players like me, hardcore players (I've explained what being hardcore means already in this thread), would lose something if another option was offered. You think we lose nothing, but we do indeed lose something. You don't understand why we like what we like, so you will never understand why we lose something if it is changed. A good analogy is this: I don't understand why football players like football enough to make it a career in the NFL. Money, I understand, but the players who do it because they enjoy it? Crazy to me. This is the same thing. You are in my position, and I am in the position of the NFL player. Or, to put us in the appropriate roles, you are the casual player (I've explained what that means too) and I am the hardcore player. And I never expect you to understand why I enjoy a game like this as is. Or why adding an option would depreciate the FFA system for hardcore players. And yes, this game was made for the hardcore (read: competitive, it's inately a part of being hardcore, though there are exceptions to the rule) players. Originally, GGG made this game for themselves. They are hardcore players, therefore, this game was made for hardcore players. Simple 1 + 1 style logic there. Last edited by TremorAcePV#7356 on Feb 28, 2013, 4:20:40 PM
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