Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.

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TremorAcePV wrote:

Haha, your funny.

As long as that stayed in Default, I wouldn't be bothered by it. That's been my position the whole time. (I stated it a bit ago.)

It still wouldn't affect you if you opted for FFA even if the instanced loot option was to exist in Hardcore. You're not getting better loot with instanced loot.

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TremorAcePV wrote:

But just so you know, since this applies to Default, the whole conversation is utterly pointless. Default never loses anything (besides orbs used on gear). The economy will inflate to the point that everyone and their mom will have optimal loot at one point, meaning loot runs will be pointless. Not to mention Hardcore characters bringing even more items into Default by dying.

The discussion isn't pointless as it affects the game. A lot, for many of us. It's pointless to you, yes, because you would choose the FFA option. I get that.

The general item economy is rather irrelevant to every single player. Just because everyone else and their mom have the "best gear" (which is... no, I won't go into that) they can find doesn't mean I do. And I would like to know that I have loot reserved for me when I play and that I can't touch the loot reserved for others. That would mean potentially less loot for me but it's sooooooo worth it.

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TremorAcePV wrote:

Plus, socialism in the extreme never works. It's just part of it's design.

And I have no idea what you're on about now, but I suspect you're making a slippery slope argument or something. Not sure.

EDIT: I jump back to the post I wrote yesterday.

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I just don't get it.

We say: Give us choice. Win-win for everyone.

You say: NO! Our experience will be ruined if you have choice!

The lack of logic simply blows my mind.

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TremorAcePV wrote:

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killbilly wrote:

Spoiler

some times your vision proves to being crumberstone...then as an adult and as someone who wants $$$ to live on you must act like a man...undestand that your vision is outdated and/or flawed and move forward

While this is very true, the truth also is that GGG's vision isn't entirely cumbersome (what I believe you meant).

It's only cumbersome with players who want something else.

the looting system IS cumberstone cause it ENFORCES the PvP Element. If i want a chill out social play with randoms i just CANT' do it...i am enforced to "pvp" for the loot

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TremorAcePV wrote:

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iamstryker wrote:

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TremorAcePV wrote:

True cut throat gameplay.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You "lol" at people fighting to the death over loot? (in game characters of course, but still)

That's... literally cut throat.

TremorAce. Don't bother. You can make sense all day long, but they only care about one thing. And thats getting what they want, when they want when they see it.


The more sense you make the more they will troll, flame and insult you.

And if you out do' them on the troll, flame, insult game they will all RUN to the mods and report you. I mean lets face it, people who enjoy complaining enjoy snitching....lol

Trust me, i just got off a five day ban for basically telling it how it is, and telling them where they can go.


From what ive heard. GGG will probably cave into the this excessive whine-age at sometime, even tho they don't want too.

So, do yourself a favour and stay out of this stank hole thread. Its not worth it.

666 Pages.

More than 30 Days no Statment from GGG, and the fanboy`s write over 600 Pages, that the FFA System are the best for us.

And when you say, i would have an option, the tell us go find Friends or play alone.

Thanx for that Tip.

I hate it, but when i looking on me, befor POE, i want never ever disapointet my party members whit grab your loot. Now after Play POE 2 Month, i grab loot from them,... and i feel its not right, but when i not grab, another do it.

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Vooodu wrote:

bait bait bait bait bait

For other uses there is PM.

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Vooodu wrote:

TremorAce. Don't bother. You can make sense all day long, but they only care about one thing. And thats getting what they want, when they want when they see it.


The more sense you make the more they will troll, flame and insult you.

And if you out do' them on the troll, flame, insult game they will all RUN to the mods and report you. I mean lets face it, people who enjoy complaining enjoy snitching....lol

Trust me, i just got off a five day ban for basically telling it how it is, and telling them where they can go.


From what ive heard. GGG will probably cave into the this excessive whine-age at sometime, even tho they don't want too.

So, do yourself a favour and stay out of this stank hole thread. Its not worth it.

Beta Testers are not whining for the sake of whining. They are providing feedback because the system is not working as intended. The devs wanted the system to provide a hardcore ‘cut-throat’ experience but in practice there is no cut-throat consequence and the system rewards players who focus on loot drops over combat.

The reason you had a five day ban was because you were calling people names like ‘whiners’.

Personally I would like to see them implement loot tension in a cut throat environment.

I think both sides have some bad attitudes... Both groups here (instance vs. FFA) are insulting each other and that is really pointless. I think there is NO system that is actually fair!

And there will NEVER be a fair system! FFA is good for people with good pings, fight in melee range and have good reactions. All the other people will be frustrated because they don't get any items or at least much less. Of course this system supports the competetive aspects of PoE between players. People who competetion with teammates will hate this system.

On the other side their is instanced loot. That's good for people with high pings and who fight at distance. But all people who have some skill and maybe doing more work will get less items in the end. Instance drops means, that even if you don't lay a finger on the enemy, you will maybe get tons of stuff, maybe even rares/uniques. That's not fair to people who are active, deal much damage, tank much damage etc. This system can be bad for the teamplay too as you can see.


So there will NEVER NEVER NEVER be ONE suggestion here, that will solve everyones problems! Even if you make it optional, it may result in frustrating party searches. If you are someone who loves FFA and are looking for a party and then you realize that there are only instance parties, then you log off frustrated, because playing alone sux (especially in HC mode) or you get along with the instance rule but then there are like 2-3 people in the party who walk alongside and don't do shit and type in chat "OMFG I GOTS BEST ITEM UNIQUE HAHAHA BYE ALL" and leave the party after that (and you did all the work and never had the chance to get the ite for yourself). Well, that is really frustrating, especially if you would have had a good chance getting that item in a FFA party...


To be serious here: I don't care anymore what GGG is doing. I will trust them and believe in the decision they make. If they go for instanced loot, OK fine with me! If they go for pure FFA without timers, OK fine with me too! And if they decide to implement optional loot mechanics, well, why not? But it doesn't matter what they do with the loot mechanics. 1 day after the patch people will start crying about it. And if they change it again, people will start crying again about it... And people will waste their time in threads like this and try to change the loot mechnics into something that is fair in their eyes, but their will NEVER be something that is fair in everyones eyes.

So think about it before you keep insulting and writing bullshit at each other! That is just counterproductive what you are doing and the more bullshit you guys type, the less likely it will be that GGG reads any of the (good) stuff that is written here...

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Vooodu wrote:

TremorAce. Don't bother. You can make sense all day long, but they only care about one thing. And thats getting what they want, when they want when they see it.

You two calling this system true cutthroat is beyound funny. Welcome back from your time in the corner.

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Vooodu wrote:

they will troll, flame and insult you.

Hypocrisy at its best.

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Vooodu wrote:

TremorAce. Don't bother. You can make sense all day long, but they only care about one thing. And thats getting what they want, when they want when they see it.


The more sense you make the more they will troll, flame and insult you.

And if you out do' them on the troll, flame, insult game they will all RUN to the mods and report you. I mean lets face it, people who enjoy complaining enjoy snitching....lol

Trust me, i just got off a five day ban for basically telling it how it is, and telling them where they can go.


From what ive heard. GGG will probably cave into the this excessive whine-age at sometime, even tho they don't want too.

So, do yourself a favour and stay out of this stank hole thread. Its not worth it.

+1

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iamstryker wrote:

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Vooodu wrote:

TremorAce. Don't bother. You can make sense all day long, but they only care about one thing. And thats getting what they want, when they want when they see it.

You two calling this system true cutthroat is beyound funny. Welcome back from your time in the corner.

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Vooodu wrote:

they will troll, flame and insult you.

Hypocrisy at its best.

And the harrasment and bullying starts all over again!

Edit: taking Vooodu's advice. Playing the game still with FFA-loot. No need for me to get banned because some carebears cry on the moderators lap when their feelings are getting hurt.