Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.

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Crizaig wrote:

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Xavderion wrote:

I don't like full IL because it feels like playing in your own instanced bubble and your group members are just more or less clever bots. I think that making items invisible as long as the timer is up and maybe upping the lenght of the timer by ~20% would solve the most problems since people wouldn't rush to your items and wait there until the timer runs out and you would have much more time to react and pick your loot up (20% more time + the time your group members need to react and get to the loot so really plenty of time).

That has got to be one of the stupidest reasons to be against instanced loot ever. Just admit it, you hate the idea of instanced loot because Diablo 3 has it.

You call my reason stupid but bring up a completely silly one yourself? Why would I not like something just because another game which I don't even play has it too? Paranoid much?

Also the killbilly guy saying that THIS is the real problem just shows me where you guys are coming from. Hilarious.

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Sickness wrote:

Finally you are here!

Goodbye Panda413, you lost.

Whatever you need to tell yourself pal.

The reason you are able to convince yourself you are right is you find excuses to dismiss anyone that suggests otherwise. In this case, you chose one example of one person making a less than optimal argument for the side you disagree with. It adds nothing to our discussion, but you pretend it does so you don't have to actually consider the points I've made. This is why you present a shortsighted argument.

FYI - just because YOU believe YOU are right, doesn't make you any more or less right. The words you typed on the screen are evidence that you are wrong.

As long as you believe there is NO good reason to have FFA only, your perspective holds no value. Whether you agree with that statement or not is irrelevant.

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Sickness wrote:

Goodbye Panda413, you lost.

This is the exact type of comment I was referring to in my original comment several pages back.

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Panda413 wrote:

As long as you believe there is NO good reason to have FFA only, your perspective holds no value.

How are you defining "value", and what is the logic that determines when a belief is with or without value? As a clarification the, sense I get somewhat consistently from Pro-FFA posters is that they believe there is no good reason to have instanced.

I believe you said something to the effect of the thread being all circular logic that applies to both sides, and I would posit that such claim fit with that premise.

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Panda413 wrote:

There are good reasons to use FFA loot only.

It may be so but in the end those reasons are not good enough.
Infact giving loot-options comes with better reasoning than keeping only the ffa monopolistic loot system. Those reasons are better and cover more aspects than the limited ffa-only.
But i guess you obviously dont want to acknowledge them.

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Panda413 wrote:

Whatever you need to tell yourself pal.

The reason you are able to convince yourself you are right is you find excuses to dismiss anyone that suggests otherwise. In this case, you chose one example of one person making a less than optimal argument for the side you disagree with. It adds nothing to our discussion, but you pretend it does so you don't have to actually consider the points I've made. This is why you present a shortsighted argument.

What? Now you are just becoming more ridiculous. You have not really made any point. You are blabbering on about something as vauge as "good reason".

I don't think any reason to use FFA only are good, and certainly not good enough.

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Panda413 wrote:

As long as you believe there is NO good reason to have FFA only, your perspective holds no value. Whether you agree with that statement or not is irrelevant.

No, that is not true just because you say it is. Infact, it is ridiculous.

Maybe the term "good reason" confuses you?

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Panda413 wrote:

This is the exact type of comment I was referring to in my original comment several pages back.

And it got you to show your bias very clearly. thx

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IHouseI wrote:

lol this is still going? and still no word from the devs.. I quit the game because I got bored playing alone and won't join public parties with this system. bb

The devs are currently working on changes to the system. Keep an eye on the patch notes you will see the change sooner rather than later.

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moikpei wrote:

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Panda413 wrote:

As long as you believe there is NO good reason to have FFA only, your perspective holds no value.

How are you defining "value", and what is the logic that determines when a belief is with or without value?

See below.

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mobutu wrote:

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Panda413 wrote:

There are good reasons to use FFA loot only.

It may be so but in the end those reasons are not good enough.
Infact giving loot-options comes with better reasoning than keeping only the ffa monopolistic loot system. Those reasons are better and cover more aspects than the limited ffa-only.
But i guess you obviously dont want to acknowledge them.

I'm 100% cool with you holding that opinion.

My original comment and each following comment was just pointing out that many people against FFA are incapable of acknowledging there is a valid reason to have it as the only loot mechanic.

If you are presented with 2 options, understand the pros and cons of each option, and make a decision based on your own preference or even your own bias, that is 100% fine.

If you are presented with 2 options and only consider the benefits of the option you like and the disadvantages of the option you don't like, your opinion holds less (better word choice than "no") value than the previous example.

I'm saying that my casual observation of this thread leads me to believe there are more people from one side that display the mentality of the second example than the other side. I could be wrong. It could be my own confirmation bias leading me to believe that. I haven't read every post. But I find it compelling that the couple of people that tried to refute that opinion ended up confirming it instead.

If you believe all opinions hold equal weight, you are never going to agree with me on this topic. I believe when you have several hundred unique opinions to sort out, discarding the ones that lack perspective is a good first step to coming to a good conclusion.

How about you present some good reasons for FFA loot only then?

How about you guys just stop bickering about it for now? The developers will change it in due time, they'll figure out what they're going to do with the loot system. No one here, unless they're employed by GGG, is going to be implementing whatever loot system they want.

Just give ideas and quit being children about it.

I read a few pages back that Xavderion suggested that timed loot be invisible to others until the timer runs out. I support this idea since people won't be able to see said loot and hover over it like vultures, since that's the basic problem with timed loot currently. The developers keep the theme of FFA loot while loot is still semi-instanced at the same time. It's literally cut in half straight down the line between the two. I think this is what people call compromise and we all need to do it for the sake of the developers.

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Panda413 wrote:

Perfect example! There are good reasons to use FFA loot only. They have been explained numerous times. So if you still believe there are no good reasons, then there is no reason to include you or your opinion in the debate. Your words indicate as much.

Shortsighted people get offended when they are called shortsighted. I can't help that. Don't ask me to ignore reality. Work on being less shortsighted.

So far, everyone that has chosen to respond to my critique of the anti-ffa crowd has only added evidence to my point.

tell them to us

or wait
I WILL do it for you

FFA Loot Pro's

Cut throat feel
enforced PvP element
you train your fingers & reflexes(!!!lol'd)

FFA Loot Con's

lag dependant
pc dependant
server dependant (dsync position of character)
can't have PvE only experience while in group cause the pvp element is enforced
promotes grief
promotes hostile attitude against other players (all players should be treated as potential lootwhores and ninjas till PROVEN otherwise)
loot isnt' distrubute with any rule...1 fast man can take ALL loot
requires no character based skill (or even worst promotes low-dps/high health builds)
it doesnt' matter if you have the best character ingame/ingroup, it doesnt' matter if your character can dish out the best dps of all players...if you are slow (or your isp/pc) you get no reward
the loot INSTEAD of REWARD it turns to ANOTHER CHALLENGE


IL solves all the above CONS (by a simplifing way..but still it solves them) and yet has NO CON itself..

first you come here
you insult us
you tell us carebears
you PROVIDE NOTHING USEFULL

and in the end you tell us that we are SHORTSIGHTED??????????????????

now seriously....what you smoke brother?