Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.

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dirtpoorchris wrote:

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fevgatos wrote:

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Worldbreaker wrote:

Bots will come in any game, also your idea of instanced loot is great! Then AutoIT bots will come into party instances and just loot all the rares and orbs assigned to them. This also brings about the "Buy orb #1 china best shop best price" spam, that we have YET to see with FFA. Currently the only things being sold for real money are items that other players HAD to farm.

I am not saying that bots won't exist like vase breakers etc, but it would be exponential with assigned/instanced loot.

There is my FFA defense, and I would much rather deal with fighting over loot than ignoring someone every 30 seconds. Especially with this being a F2P game, the spam would be ridiculous.

How in fucking hell does FFA hinder bots since solo or private parties don't really have an FFA anyways? Are you high?

Hes just blabbing and hoping no one will question him I think. Why would bots join public games where players have a higher chance of noticing them and reporting them?

Bots wouldn't need to kill anything they could just join an instance and loot everything. A solo bot or private bot would still need someone to kill stuff.

It is a free to play game, they just move shit to another character. I have tried reasoning with you people but even your arguments are casual. Everytime someone gives you a good reason you just say "nope you're dumb". So I will resort to the same arguments since that is all you seem to understand. There are many other things that would need to be balanced around introducing longer timers and instanced loot, it makes the game easier no matter how the hell you cut the cake, it is the reason you want timers increased. Playstyle is such a bullshit excuse it sickens me. Try recommending bosses get oneshot, its a playstyle preference nothing more.

I am done discussing this, I hope nothing gets changed, names are removed or timers are removed. That is all. +1 to FFA

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Worldbreaker wrote:

Bots wouldn't need to kill anything they could just join an instance and loot everything. A solo bot or private bot would still need someone to kill stuff.

SO, what you are saying is, bots will join PUBLIC parties!? Did I understand that correctly? You are completely high. The way this game works (istances need refreshing) there is no automated program that is actually efficient. Even less so when in a fucking public party!!!

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Worldbreaker wrote:

It is a free to play game, they just move shit to another character. I have tried reasoning with you people but even your arguments are casual. Everytime someone gives you a good reason you just say "nope you're dumb". So I will resort to the same arguments since that is all you seem to understand. There are many other things that would need to be balanced around introducing longer timers and instanced loot, it makes the game easier no matter how the hell you cut the cake, it is the reason you want timers increased. Playstyle is such a bullshit excuse it sickens me. Try recommending bosses get oneshot, its a playstyle preference nothing more.

Bots joining public parties is your good reason? Then I really want to her the bad ones!! Aaaand no, it doesn't make the game easier. I don't even want the timers increased, that would be AWFUL. Timers are what make FFA even more bullshit than it normally is! So yeah, you are just making facts out of your ass without even touching the REAL reasons FFA sucks

1)PURE FFA ( meaning no timers) are just dumb. It's obvious, no matter how you cut it, melee characters >>>> ranged.
2)FFA with timers is even worse. I had to create my own 6 party (multiboxing) and level them all up so I can go 6man docks without having to watch retarded assholes camping scroll of wisdoms every second mob killed.
3)Without something to ENFORCE a distribution method or policy (need > greed, round robin, kill first loot after) it's a douche magnet. If you give people a choice to act like complete and utter assholes WITHOUT having any consequences for it (and in a PVE game they dont have any, the system carebears them) then be sure they will do so. And the biggest problem is, people like YOU, thinking they are the chuck norris for griefing people while being carebeared.

If you think what I want is making the game easy go read the rest of my posts. I have asked for

A)No respecs from quest
B)Reduce drop chance, both in currency and items
C)XP penalty goes over 0%, so you might actually lose a level
D)Increase the mobs Aspeed / Movespeed and better target acquition
E)Nerf ranged damage a hell lot (and NO, I'm not playing a melee, I'm playing a spark witch)
F)Greatly increase orb of regrets price through the vendors. Currently you can easily get 30 respecs in about 2 day.
Do these seem like I ask for an easy game? Actually the game is boringly easy. I was doing trioboxing in merciless docks with a 47 level witch (with 149 hp!!). If that doesn't prove how horribly wrong you are then what more can I say

speaking of multi-boxing. I finally tried using a booster account and I think GGG may have changed the loot system a bit already. I left my second character at the entrance and cleared with my main. The monsters had more health but I didn't really notice an increase in drops. I also found that NO loot was allocated to the second character that was doing no damage.

So my question is... did they change the system so a player has to damage a monster to have loot drop under their name?

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fevgatos wrote:

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Worldbreaker wrote:

Bots wouldn't need to kill anything they could just join an instance and loot everything. A solo bot or private bot would still need someone to kill stuff.

SO, what you are saying is, bots will join PUBLIC parties!? Did I understand that correctly? You are completely high. The way this game works (istances need refreshing) there is no automated program that is actually efficient. Even less so when in a fucking public party!!!

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Worldbreaker wrote:

It is a free to play game, they just move shit to another character. I have tried reasoning with you people but even your arguments are casual. Everytime someone gives you a good reason you just say "nope you're dumb". So I will resort to the same arguments since that is all you seem to understand. There are many other things that would need to be balanced around introducing longer timers and instanced loot, it makes the game easier no matter how the hell you cut the cake, it is the reason you want timers increased. Playstyle is such a bullshit excuse it sickens me. Try recommending bosses get oneshot, its a playstyle preference nothing more.

Bots joining public parties is your good reason? Then I really want to her the bad ones!! Aaaand no, it doesn't make the game easier. I don't even want the timers increased, that would be AWFUL. Timers are what make FFA even more bullshit than it normally is! So yeah, you are just making facts out of your ass without even touching the REAL reasons FFA sucks

His argument is soooooo bad... If you want to change the loot system then you want to 1 shot bosses... wtf kind of logic is that?

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Worldbreaker wrote:

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fevgatos wrote:

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Worldbreaker wrote:

Bots will come in any game, also your idea of instanced loot is great! Then AutoIT bots will come into party instances and just loot all the rares and orbs assigned to them. This also brings about the "Buy orb #1 china best shop best price" spam, that we have YET to see with FFA. Currently the only things being sold for real money are items that other players HAD to farm.

I am not saying that bots won't exist like vase breakers etc, but it would be exponential with assigned/instanced loot.

There is my FFA defense, and I would much rather deal with fighting over loot than ignoring someone every 30 seconds. Especially with this being a F2P game, the spam would be ridiculous.

How in fucking hell does FFA hinder bots since solo or private parties don't really have an FFA anyways? Are you high?

Bots wouldn't need to kill anything they could just join an instance and loot everything. A solo bot or private bot would still need someone to kill stuff.

It is a free to play game, they just move shit to another character. I have tried reasoning with you people but even your arguments are casual. Everytime someone gives you a good reason you just say "nope you're dumb". So I will resort to the same arguments since that is all you seem to understand. There are many other things that would need to be balanced around introducing longer timers and instanced loot, it makes the game easier no matter how the hell you cut the cake, it is the reason you want timers increased. Playstyle is such a bullshit excuse it sickens me. Try recommending bosses get oneshot, its a playstyle preference nothing more.

I am done discussing this, I hope nothing gets changed, names are removed or timers are removed. That is all. +1 to FFA

LoL... "You guys are casuals. Im plugging my ears now." *plugs ears and goes "LALALALALALA" real loud* Your debating tactics are ace. /sarcasm

Wouldnt auto clicking bots actually be more dangerous in FFA if they had a good enough bot to trick the party into thinking it was a player?

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wrathmar wrote:

speaking of multi-boxing. I finally tried using a booster account and I think GGG may have changed the loot system a bit already. I left my second character at the entrance and cleared with my main. The monsters had more health but I didn't really notice an increase in drops. I also found that NO loot was allocated to the second character that was doing no damage.

So my question is... did they change the system so a player has to damage a monster to have loot drop under their name?

No but if someone is far enough from the dying mobs they don't get a timer

I'm pretty sure they nerfed the drop rates, although I can't be certain. Adding 1 afk (50% bonus) is barely noticeable, add 4 or 5 and go across the map, you'll notice it.

As it stands now, the loot system in this game(in public groups) is broken. The devs are just doing a "Jay Wilson" where whatever they think is always right.

- People join groups just to pick up loot. Won't attack mobs.
- When a boss is about to die, they stop attacking and go and stand right on top of him.
- Very often the boss will explode with so much loot that the rares will be on the outskirts of the pool of loot, to the point that you have to move your toon to even see that what's dropped. couldn't pick it up in time? too bad.
- I've seen players run ahead of the group(using flasks/skills) and open chests so they can have all the loot.

The Devs claim the system is cut-throat, but it isn't. It would be cut-throat if I could fight the opposing player for the loot. With the current system there's absolutely no ramifications for him being a ninja looter.

There's a reason Guild Wars 2, Torchlight 2, and Diablo 3 don't use this system. They want people to focus on killing the mobs and working as a group, not fighting against each other and disbanding because of it.


This isn't cut-throat, it's just stupid game design. If their goal is to drive people away from public parties, then their doing a damn good job of it. I know at least I'll try my level best to stay away from them.

For me the bottom line is that the devs probably thought 4-5 people competing to click on loot drops would somehow be fun. To me it is the furthest thing from it. Do people really think everybody that plays this game wants to become a complete loot whore *just to get their fair share*? Not fun.

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Demious wrote:

As it stands now, the loot system in this game(in public groups) is broken. The devs are just doing a "Jay Wilson" where whatever they think is always right.

- People join groups just to pick up loot. Won't attack mobs.
- When a boss is about to die, they stop attacking and go and stand right on top of him.

People do NOT join groups just to pick up loot. This is absurd and have yet to see it. And im constantly in public games.


Also, when a boss is about to die people all gather round for the big LOOT explosion... Whooop dee Doooo.


Please, don't bring Jay Wilson into this topic. Just because GGG has made a game that doesn't cater to what you want doesn't mean its 'BAD'.


Play more and cry less.