Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.

I don't like the ffa looting, but that's mainly a difference in preference. My real problem is if the looting is indeed intended to be ffa, why put names next to items? That creates ownership, and creates problems when the timer runs out and the item becomes ffa as intended.

The items shouldn't be explicitly labeled for members, that way when the timer runs out and anyone grabs it, there is no issue.

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BitmapFrogs wrote:

Dev has made clear adding time drags the flow since people have to wait longer for the timers to run out. Of course that happens because they're hoping to ninja...

Just to let ya know suggestions that involve adding time are not gonna be welcome by GGG.

Dev as well acknowledge the current system is stacked against people with higher pings or less powerful machines, aka low frame rates.

Just saying because they won't get useful feedback if we insist on the first or handwave the second.

Ok thx for clearing that up. In that case I stick to what I wrote a few posts earlier:
Whatever they decide will be the right decision. Not even the slightest doubt about that.
I made my suggestions, there is nothing more that I can do. I'm also convinced that, despite some of the people who post in this thread or here and there, the majority of the users are nice, helpful and also most importantly willing to listen to other peoples opinions. Lets keep it that way. Its the least that we can do to pay GGG back for what they are giving us. Ever since Indie games got popular I learned that community interaction doesn't have to be a rare thing but what we got here is on a whole other level.

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fevgatos wrote:

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Spysong192 wrote:

Yes a minute ago.

Also yesterday evening 3 of 10 party had explicit ffa statement.

You know why I call this bullshit? Because there is not a single reason to type FFA in a party screen. Know why? FFA is ON BY DEFAULT! If you see ANYONE making a party with "FFA ON" in the description DON'T join that party. He must be dillusional.

And btw, bring an OPTION won't change the pure FFA parties. You will still see those 3/10 FFA as now. WOW, so there actually is no problem right?

You said that pro-ffa people are the minority. Your proof of this "fact" was i should look at the party creation screen. I did that and i told you that i saw more people made partys with a explicit saying of "this is a ffa" group then "this is a no-ffa" group. We didn´t even talk till this moment of groups without a explicit statement.

I don´t even saying that the pro ffa side is not or is the minority but trying to prove this with looking at the party screen is a poor messure tool.

edit: and again this is all a messure of a narrow timeframe and subjective. That said, again, this whole conversation will bring us no-where.

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Spysong192 wrote:

You said that pro-ffa people are the minority. Your proof of this "fact" was i should look at the party creation screen. I did that and i told you that i saw more people made partys with a explicit saying of "this is a ffa" group then "this is a no-ffa" group. We didn´t even talk till this moment of groups without a explicit statement.

I don´t even saying that the pro ffa side is not or is the minority but trying to prove this with looking at the party screen is a poor messure tool.

And I said I don't believe you, mainly for 2 reasons

1)I haven't seen ONCE a party with "only FFA". Not even ONCE
2)There would be ABSOLUTELY no fucking reason to state "FFA only" when the game IS FFA ONLY. It's exactly like being on merciless and creating a party with "-15% xp on death". OH REALLY CAPTAIN OBVIOUS

The more i talk to you the more i´m coming to the conclusion it´s worthless because you don´t get what i´m talking about.

You said you don´t believe me. Why should i believe you.

See? The "proof" of our subjective opinion here would be look at the party creation tab. You did that, i did that, we both counting different outcomes. This has nothing to do with "believing".

Therefore i said looking at the party creation tab is a bad messurement tool.

To your point 2). Use your imagination.

I didn't say I don't believe you ONLY because I haven't seen "only FFA' parties. I said I don't believe you because there would ABSOLUTELY (and I mean, ABSOLUTELY) not a SINGLE fucking reason to create such a party. It's exactly like being on hardcore league and creating a "hardcore only" party. That would make a lot of sense right?

So now you´re asking me why other people make partys with FFA tagged in the name?

Why should i know that?

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fevgatos wrote:

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BitmapFrogs wrote:

And EVE is designed so you can kill players. Yet pks get red tagged. And it works very well for them.

So your argument is invalid.

And you don't have a fucking idea why PK's get red right? In Lineage there was the same system, PK goes red and everyone was free to attack them. I'll let you figure out why yourself

You haven't played EVE, I see.

In EVE no matter your sec status, EVERYBODY CAN ATTACK ANYBODY, NO RESTRICTIONS.

The purpose of the red flag, is not so you can attack them. That's a right granted just by playing eve. It just let's you know that player has attacked other players in the past.

The same way, players in PoE could get a red flag if they ninja items. And by the way, since you haven't played EVE, in that game the system isn't binary red/green. Its a scale that goes from 10 to 0. At some point (5? I dont remember) those players show red in the game UI.

Seriously, if you haven't played the game I am referencing and something is not clear, ask before going in all out flame mode. You look silly otherwise.

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Spysong192 wrote:

So now you´re asking me why other people make partys with FFA tagged in the name?

Why should i know that?

At least some fanbois are putting that in titles to thumb their noses at anyone who wants anything else.

It is stupid of course but what do you expect in this game. It really has taken me awhile but I'm finally convinced. This is a game by griefers for griefers. This weaksauce FFA without PvP 'cut throat feel' thing is entirely by design and on purpose, just like the bandit quest newbie greifing setup. These things aren't mistakes or oversights, they are entirely 100% intentional.

I'm also quickly becoming convinced that the addition of names in the timed FFA was intentionally done to create bad feelings and friction between players.

But really I'm past the point of caring. I'm going to finish up whatever I feel like doing in this game solo, free up some disk space, and thank God that I never gave them any money.

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fevgatos wrote:

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Spysong192 wrote:

You said that pro-ffa people are the minority. Your proof of this "fact" was i should look at the party creation screen. I did that and i told you that i saw more people made partys with a explicit saying of "this is a ffa" group then "this is a no-ffa" group. We didn´t even talk till this moment of groups without a explicit statement.

I don´t even saying that the pro ffa side is not or is the minority but trying to prove this with looking at the party screen is a poor messure tool.

And I said I don't believe you, mainly for 2 reasons

1)I haven't seen ONCE a party with "only FFA". Not even ONCE
2)There would be ABSOLUTELY no fucking reason to state "FFA only" when the game IS FFA ONLY. It's exactly like being on merciless and creating a party with "-15% xp on death". OH REALLY CAPTAIN OBVIOUS

It's to prevent people from bitching and whining about losing something that wasn't theirs.