Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.

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Vooodu wrote:

In the end, maybe this game just isn't for some of the people who continually complain about FFA loot.

As long as they enjoy singleplayer enough to stay then sure its for them. Since this game was built around the singleplayer experience. People are passionate about the topic because even though the game itself is awesome they still would like to enjoy public games.

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Vooodu wrote:

Why ball and chain yourself to this game and demand a change?

1) This game as an ARPG is unique. There are not many other places to go.

2) What I want from the game is consistancy. If this game wants to be niche then it should go all out, if it wants to appeal to decent crowd then it should be prepared to make some logical concessions for stuff like looting options. I will respect it either way but the game is essentially released. I wish they would have made a final decision before open beta.

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Vooodu wrote:

....I mean the games called Path of Exile not Path of Least Resistance. :D

This is a common misconception. Least resistance is not the major factor in why people don't like FFA. Its the style of play.....pvp. The game is pretty difficult and challenging in just the PVE and yet gamers appear to be mostly fine with that. But when it comes to FFA they have a problem. Its deeper than just saying they want it easier.

For me, the only real "fix" needed is to increase the timer by a slight amount, like adding 0.2 seconds to the timer. The reason for this is that the timer right now doesn't compensate for people with 150+ ping. Even if you run right when the drop happens, it is very common to miss picking up the item with this amount of latency. This is the only massively needed fix for the FFA loot.

Surely people will still not like the idea of ninjaing, but if you still can't pick items up after a 0.2 second extra buffer, then you are playing the game wrong. Maybe do something about blocking somewhat (like be able to pick up items in a slightly larger radius), but other than that I'm fine.

I really hope GGG reads this since this is because the timer not compensating latency is the only real reason I hate the looting in parties right now.

Imagine working at GGG and pay day comes around. Does the cut throat aspect apply to wage allocation guys? Wage packets tossed onto the floor in a room; you all worked equally hard all month yet those quickest and closest get the fattest pay packets?

I'm sure an OPTION available via a CHOICE regarding looting would be BENEFICIAL to all concerned.

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interox wrote:

Imagine working at GGG and pay day comes around. Does the cut throat aspect apply to wage allocation guys? Wage packets tossed onto the floor in a room; you all worked equally hard all month yet those quickest and closest get the fattest pay packets?

I'm sure an OPTION available via a CHOICE regarding looting would be BENEFICIAL to all concerned.

Probaly the worst analogy I've ever seen. Bravo.

Figure I may as well throw my 2c in, for what little its worth.

As long as the loot remains FFA, I will not play multiplayer with anyone I don't know in RL, under any circumstance. I'd be fine with any sort of noninteractive assignment: random, round-robin, heck even based on killing blow so you can be "cutthroat" by kill-sniping. Sure looting is a skill, but ffs people should be using their skill to kill things, not speed-click drops.

That's my view on looting, but take it with a heavy dose of salt. I don't generally like people, especially on the internet. Even under ideal conditions I would still only play multiplayer under duress, but it would at least be an option for me to consider.

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Nobake wrote:

Figure I may as well throw my 2c in, for what little its worth.

As long as the loot remains FFA, I will not play multiplayer with anyone I don't know in RL, under any circumstance. I'd be fine with any sort of noninteractive assignment: random, round-robin, heck even based on killing blow so you can be "cutthroat" by kill-sniping.

Lawl My Power Siphon would own everyone that is not using the same skill or culling strike support gem.

So yeah pretty bad idea you had there ;-)

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BDtetra wrote:

For me, the only real "fix" needed is to increase the timer by a slight amount, like adding 0.2 seconds to the timer. The reason for this is that the timer right now doesn't compensate for people with 150+ ping. Even if you run right when the drop happens, it is very common to miss picking up the item with this amount of latency. This is the only massively needed fix for the FFA loot.

Surely people will still not like the idea of ninjaing, but if you still can't pick items up after a 0.2 second extra buffer, then you are playing the game wrong. Maybe do something about blocking somewhat (like be able to pick up items in a slightly larger radius), but other than that I'm fine.

I really hope GGG reads this since this is because the timer not compensating latency is the only real reason I hate the looting in parties right now.

this is a really good point. I confess to not owning an expensive, cutting edge computer, infact i could really use an upgrade (who couldnt?). I find when im in larger groups im sitting there clicking on an object 10 times and it STILL does not register the pickup. I imagine those with fast computers are also the majority of pro timered loot players.

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bingobill wrote:

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BDtetra wrote:

For me, the only real "fix" needed is to increase the timer by a slight amount, like adding 0.2 seconds to the timer. The reason for this is that the timer right now doesn't compensate for people with 150+ ping. Even if you run right when the drop happens, it is very common to miss picking up the item with this amount of latency. This is the only massively needed fix for the FFA loot.

Surely people will still not like the idea of ninjaing, but if you still can't pick items up after a 0.2 second extra buffer, then you are playing the game wrong. Maybe do something about blocking somewhat (like be able to pick up items in a slightly larger radius), but other than that I'm fine.

I really hope GGG reads this since this is because the timer not compensating latency is the only real reason I hate the looting in parties right now.

this is a really good point. I confess to not owning an expensive, cutting edge computer, infact i could really use an upgrade (who couldnt?). I find when im in larger groups im sitting there clicking on an object 10 times and it STILL does not register the pickup. I imagine those with fast computers are also the majority of pro timered loot players.

with the logic of FFA Defenders you sir have to change game...GGG doesnt' want your money

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Nobake wrote:

Sure looting is a skill, but ffs people should be using their skill to kill things, not speed-click drops.

THIS is exactly the problem with FFA....the skill is to have a good character with good spec that can dish out good dps and that can contribute to the group....

speed/fast clicking is not helping the group

FFA is awesome! 'nough said!