Path of Exile 1 Gameplay Help and Discussion - Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013. - Forum

Correct Mach. Unfortunately, he's stating it like its a fact, without giving actual evidence. The burden of proof is always on the one who makes the claim. His claim is the majority of people dislike FFA. His proof? That several threads pop up so it must be true. That does not make his claim true. Last edited by SL4Y3R#7487 on Jan 28, 2013, 2:05:52 AM	Posted by SL4Y3R#7487 on Jan 28, 2013, 2:05:17 AM Banned Quote this Post
Timer just needs to be 1 min for Rares and 1 and half mins for Unique's. If not that then just permanently lock the loot so you get what has your name on it and then no more problems. If you are going to even add loot system with a built in loot selection system why even have a timer? If you wanted to try and make it fair by picking at random who's drop it is then there never should of been a timer should just be the name and lock that never goes away.	Posted by leroy989#0002 on Jan 28, 2013, 2:06:11 AM Quote this Post
" leroy989 wrote: Timer just needs to be 1 min for Rares and 1 and half mins for Unique's. If not that then just permanently lock the loot so you get what has your name on it and then no more problems. If you are going to even add loot system with a built in loot selection system why even have a timer? If you wanted to try and make it fair by picking at random who's drop it is then there never should of been a timer should just be the name and lock that never goes away. The timer was not added so you would be guaranteed loot. Sorry. I hope it never will be too.	Posted by SL4Y3R#7487 on Jan 28, 2013, 2:10:52 AM Banned Quote this Post
" SL4Y3R wrote: Correct Mach. Unfortunately, he's stating it like its a fact, without giving actual evidence. The burden of proof is always on the one who makes the claim. His claim is the majority of people dislike FFA. His proof? That several threads pop up so it must be true. That does not make his claim true. It does not. And I agree that it is never smart to use concrete words as "fact" without proof for the sake of furthering your argument. However if you look at the amount of posts on the topic of looting, it is clear that it is a topic on which a lot of people aren't happy with the current model. IGN's: Nemesis: "Stocktons". HC: "Magomedrasul" & "Stockton".	Posted by Machida#2999 on Jan 28, 2013, 2:12:11 AM Quote this Post
" BitmapFrogs wrote: If they change it, they might get more "greens" mid and long term, but there is a chance "reds" will drop the game. The reds will stay, its just that they are so vocal now to try to somehow counteract the increasing number of people asking for loot-options. After all, where will their "selfentitled-hardcoress" go? to d3? to tl2? to d2? lol And if, in worst case scenario, some of them go it's almost negligible because they are so few anyway. So a few of a few is almost nothing, easily balanced by the new incoming casuals/prosumers. And dont worry, every only-ffa advocate knows that the majority wants loot-options. They are not stupid, they just won't admit it in public. " SL4Y3R wrote: Niche game for a niche market. Nothings gotta give. It's damn easy to risk someone else's money, isn't it? After all you won't go to a casino and bet all your money on 13 black just because you're sure of it. So don't make high risk bets with ggg money.	Posted by mobutu#5362 on Jan 28, 2013, 2:14:35 AM Quote this Post
" Machida wrote: " SL4Y3R wrote: Correct Mach. Unfortunately, he's stating it like its a fact, without giving actual evidence. The burden of proof is always on the one who makes the claim. His claim is the majority of people dislike FFA. His proof? That several threads pop up so it must be true. That does not make his claim true. It does not. And I agree that it is never smart to use concrete words as "fact" without proof for the sake of furthering your argument. However if you look at the amount of posts on the topic of looting, it is clear that it is a topic on which a lot of people aren't happy with the current model. You are also assuming, that: 1. All posts here are Unique Users. 2. All posts are containing complaints.	Posted by Worldbreaker#6569 on Jan 28, 2013, 2:16:09 AM Alpha Member Quote this Post
" Worldbreaker wrote: " Machida wrote: " SL4Y3R wrote: Correct Mach. Unfortunately, he's stating it like its a fact, without giving actual evidence. The burden of proof is always on the one who makes the claim. His claim is the majority of people dislike FFA. His proof? That several threads pop up so it must be true. That does not make his claim true. It does not. And I agree that it is never smart to use concrete words as "fact" without proof for the sake of furthering your argument. However if you look at the amount of posts on the topic of looting, it is clear that it is a topic on which a lot of people aren't happy with the current model. You are also assuming, that: 1. All posts here are Unique Users. 2. All posts are containing complaints. No I'm not. But I'm sure if you really wanted to find out, you could count all the unique users actually voicing their dissatifaction with the current system. I know these threads can go on for pages of two guys going back and forth, but on the topic of looting it's more than just a handful of people ;) IGN's: Nemesis: "Stocktons". HC: "Magomedrasul" & "Stockton".	Posted by Machida#2999 on Jan 28, 2013, 2:21:27 AM Quote this Post
Regarding some numbers/facts, moikpei started to actually count post by post in this thread. You can see the results for only the first 70 pages of 330 so far. The numbers speak for themself, no matter what or how manipulative the only-ffa-advocates are. I'm pretty sure after counting all the posts from the entire thread a statistics researcher/worker could actually make a almost spot-on "exit-poll" on the situation ... after all the sample used is more than representative. " moikpei wrote: I COUNTED I'M STILL COUNTING BY PAGE 70: - 168 Users had participated - Chris last seen on Page 54 - Kyadytim had a pro tier idea back on pages 40-44; something along the lines of if you're not looting you're getting an XP boost. Well thought out posts, go back and read them. - Multiple Leagues is the most common "other compromise" with "Leader Decides" being the next most common. - A lot of the people in "No Definable Opinion" were simply whining about the concept of FFA without staking out a position. They were dumped in there for not expressly giving an opinion, but most there seem to have misgivings about FFA. - New participants start flooding in around page 60. Page 66 goes off topic and leads to a load of No Opinion allocations. For Instanced (19): Oasisbhrnw (Silver), Vandro (Bronze), Rambada (Basic), Silver (Basic), Appolian, Deletrix, el_puno, Fruitlord, Golbarin, Isobar, Kempeth, Malice, Mondune, PiotrStark, Rhesos, sommarlov, Tnargav, turbo4i4ka, willam819, For Timer Extension (3): CarniavalKlowns, Shark, THEMuffinMan For Loot-Options (84): Covert (Diamond), deoxys (Diamond), Skivverus (Diamond), Tertium_Quid (Diamond), Wittgenstein (Diamond), SpudOfDoom (Gold), bersi23 (Silver), Arkwright (Bronze), DarkRookie (Basic), ACLerok, Archartugan, Awesomeasusual, Bartuc, betamancer, bkboggy, CAKE, Corpsepaint, cp_clegg, cybrim, darkcoug, darklord, drakkos, eversorgod, Fluffy, Happy_Thoughts, Hartbrot, Herflik, Kahoder, Killendino, Kress, Kyadytim, Lichalfred, Medenna, Mitch424242, Narfi, nermind, ness, Nightblaze1, obscenerainbow, p0rt, permaximum, Phouriuh, PoERickety, purepower, Riflo, Rustychops, Sadinar, samerath, ShadowTiger, StonerPride, the_jebler, tormenta, zeto, ZhugeLiang, ixarus, Solipcyst, Arcolus, Madav, Celtica, frage069, Stalin828, Dertold, subbypuppyjay, Jive299, Cipher, reiv, Bloodyscissors, zriL, Scorpion, GunHammers, heavensDemise, Archfiend, xMCxRogue, Boryoku, Magni_Steelheart, Myrdinn, Killimangiro, nanahsu, monks, Rokksolid, insidethesun, TheOatman, Moonshine211, BLACKMAGE, For Keeping Current (16): Chris (Developer), Zidjian (Silver), tpapp157 (Bronze), Drunk, Hubb, innoruk, Kalyndrel, vahss3, Wisdom, Zephyroth, Menace1024, excalaber, wildleg, respon, cmemmons, manny Endorses Full FFA (18): sartormc (Silver), Kaylos (Bronze), andrevv84, Bulkathos, ieatsoap, resira, Vilneus, Zirfith, turtuma85, Kerish, Abydos, jmackay, Smradd, MarcelTorres, PsychoRomeo, Alahadi, Celestias, Scopen No Definable Opinion/Just Asked Questions (28): Necx (Gold), wakko (Silver), Ameladol (Basic), madwasp, Nopchar, ResidentHippy, Septile, Ambergino, valaki8, ViralTonic, elhomerjas, Puphy, xerdion94, Kookro, Bladewing, Steelprimus, Starzon29, Kayze, spiritual12, balzdragon, Muerte18, Ferous, Megas_, Mxyzptlk, Icoblablubb, Dogrec, VaJayJayWalker, gokub27 Last edited by mobutu#5362 on Jan 28, 2013, 2:33:30 AM	Posted by mobutu#5362 on Jan 28, 2013, 2:28:31 AM Quote this Post
" Worldbreaker wrote: " Machida wrote: " SL4Y3R wrote: Correct Mach. Unfortunately, he's stating it like its a fact, without giving actual evidence. The burden of proof is always on the one who makes the claim. His claim is the majority of people dislike FFA. His proof? That several threads pop up so it must be true. That does not make his claim true. It does not. And I agree that it is never smart to use concrete words as "fact" without proof for the sake of furthering your argument. However if you look at the amount of posts on the topic of looting, it is clear that it is a topic on which a lot of people aren't happy with the current model. You are also assuming, that: 1. All posts here are Unique Users. 2. All posts are containing complaints. even if all of the posts here was defending FFA then there is a problem cause you know when something is discussed SO much there is a problem. There is no smoke without fire you know. back to topic then i still do not see valid facts and reasons why FFA loot is better than instanced, not a single one just the monotonus and childish answer " this game is for proz go away carebears " as already numberous peoples say this is not your money , this is not your company and apparently you fail to realize the only truth that gaming history has proven " hardcore crowd can't support a healthy poppulation in any online game " now ggg has to make a choice and pretty much gamble a) choose hardcore crowd with ffa loot and see how it goes with a social/grouping hostile system b) give instanced loot either as option or to all but cutthroat leagues it is GGG's money and they must do the call now cause the nowadays customers have patient and faith but they do not respect someone in the silence that is trying to satisfy both sides by not taking side When you judge another, you do not define them, you define yourself	Posted by killbilly#2346 on Jan 28, 2013, 2:29:05 AM Quote this Post
" Machida wrote: But I'm sure if you really wanted to find out, you could count all the unique users actually voicing their dissatifaction with the current system. I know these threads can go on for pages of two guys going back and forth, but on the topic of looting it's more than just a handful of people ;) I did this on a thread of the same topic that was 56 pages long at the time, and had 166 total unique votes cast. So a lot of repeats. Also, 59% of people wanted a change, but people all wanted a different solution. So LESS people would have been happy to change the loot system to any one of the other options. Current IGNs: Smoothjazzz - 61 Summoner Templar (Default) PostHardcore - 52 2H Marauder (Hardcore) (RIP) PointBlaurader - 68 Bowrauder (Hardcore)	Posted by Secondfiddle#4366 on Jan 28, 2013, 2:38:18 AM Quote this Post