Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.

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SL4Y3R wrote:

So, the burden of proof remains on you. If you cannot provide such proof. You are wrong. This is not an opinion, this is a fact.

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SL4Y3R wrote:

Actually, I'm just saying it's not the majority because you can't prove it.

So, the burden of proof remains on you. If you cannot provide such proof. You are wrong. This is not an opinion, this is a fact.

Now if GGG were to come out and say their statistics show..... Than they could prove whatever.

However, you nor I do not have this information. So I cannot say the majority like FFA (which I haven't), and you cannot say the majority hate it (which you have).

Understand?

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leroy989 wrote:

Timer just needs to be 1 min for Rares and 1 and half mins for Unique's. If not that then just permanently lock the loot so you get what has your name on it and then no more problems. If you are going to even add loot system with a built in loot selection system why even have a timer? If you wanted to try and make it fair by picking at random who's drop it is then there never should of been a timer should just be the name and lock that never goes away.

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SL4Y3R wrote:

Correct Mach.

Unfortunately, he's stating it like its a fact, without giving actual evidence. The burden of proof is always on the one who makes the claim. His claim is the majority of people dislike FFA. His proof? That several threads pop up so it must be true.

That does not make his claim true.

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BitmapFrogs wrote:

If they change it, they might get more "greens" mid and long term, but there is a chance "reds" will drop the game.

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SL4Y3R wrote:

Niche game for a niche market.
Nothings gotta give.

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Machida wrote:

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SL4Y3R wrote:

Correct Mach.

Unfortunately, he's stating it like its a fact, without giving actual evidence. The burden of proof is always on the one who makes the claim. His claim is the majority of people dislike FFA. His proof? That several threads pop up so it must be true.

That does not make his claim true.

It does not. And I agree that it is never smart to use concrete words as "fact" without proof for the sake of furthering your argument.

However if you look at the amount of posts on the topic of looting, it is clear that it is a topic on which a lot of people aren't happy with the current model.

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Worldbreaker wrote:

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Machida wrote:

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SL4Y3R wrote:

Correct Mach.

Unfortunately, he's stating it like its a fact, without giving actual evidence. The burden of proof is always on the one who makes the claim. His claim is the majority of people dislike FFA. His proof? That several threads pop up so it must be true.

That does not make his claim true.

It does not. And I agree that it is never smart to use concrete words as "fact" without proof for the sake of furthering your argument.

However if you look at the amount of posts on the topic of looting, it is clear that it is a topic on which a lot of people aren't happy with the current model.

You are also assuming, that:

1. All posts here are Unique Users.
2. All posts are containing complaints.

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moikpei wrote:

I COUNTED
I'M STILL COUNTING

BY PAGE 70:
- 168 Users had participated
- Chris last seen on Page 54
- Kyadytim had a pro tier idea back on pages 40-44; something along the lines of if you're not looting you're getting an XP boost. Well thought out posts, go back and read them.
- Multiple Leagues is the most common "other compromise" with "Leader Decides" being the next most common.
- A lot of the people in "No Definable Opinion" were simply whining about the concept of FFA without staking out a position. They were dumped in there for not expressly giving an opinion, but most there seem to have misgivings about FFA.
- New participants start flooding in around page 60. Page 66 goes off topic and leads to a load of No Opinion allocations.

For Instanced (19):
Oasisbhrnw (Silver), Vandro (Bronze), Rambada (Basic), Silver (Basic), Appolian, Deletrix, el_puno, Fruitlord, Golbarin, Isobar, Kempeth, Malice, Mondune, PiotrStark, Rhesos, sommarlov, Tnargav, turbo4i4ka, willam819,

For Timer Extension (3):
CarniavalKlowns, Shark, THEMuffinMan

For Loot-Options (84):
Covert (Diamond), deoxys (Diamond), Skivverus (Diamond), Tertium_Quid (Diamond), Wittgenstein (Diamond), SpudOfDoom (Gold), bersi23 (Silver), Arkwright (Bronze), DarkRookie (Basic), ACLerok, Archartugan, Awesomeasusual, Bartuc, betamancer, bkboggy, CAKE, Corpsepaint, cp_clegg, cybrim, darkcoug, darklord, drakkos, eversorgod, Fluffy, Happy_Thoughts, Hartbrot, Herflik, Kahoder, Killendino, Kress, Kyadytim, Lichalfred, Medenna, Mitch424242, Narfi, nermind, ness, Nightblaze1, obscenerainbow, p0rt, permaximum, Phouriuh, PoERickety, purepower, Riflo, Rustychops, Sadinar, samerath, ShadowTiger, StonerPride, the_jebler, tormenta, zeto, ZhugeLiang, ixarus, Solipcyst, Arcolus, Madav, Celtica, frage069, Stalin828, Dertold, subbypuppyjay, Jive299, Cipher, reiv, Bloodyscissors, zriL, Scorpion, GunHammers, heavensDemise, Archfiend, xMCxRogue, Boryoku, Magni_Steelheart, Myrdinn, Killimangiro, nanahsu, monks, Rokksolid, insidethesun, TheOatman, Moonshine211, BLACKMAGE,

For Keeping Current (16):
Chris (Developer), Zidjian (Silver), tpapp157 (Bronze), Drunk, Hubb, innoruk, Kalyndrel, vahss3, Wisdom, Zephyroth, Menace1024, excalaber, wildleg, respon, cmemmons, manny

Endorses Full FFA (18):
sartormc (Silver), Kaylos (Bronze), andrevv84, Bulkathos, ieatsoap, resira, Vilneus, Zirfith, turtuma85, Kerish, Abydos, jmackay, Smradd, MarcelTorres, PsychoRomeo, Alahadi, Celestias, Scopen

No Definable Opinion/Just Asked Questions (28):
Necx (Gold), wakko (Silver), Ameladol (Basic), madwasp, Nopchar, ResidentHippy, Septile, Ambergino, valaki8, ViralTonic, elhomerjas, Puphy, xerdion94, Kookro, Bladewing, Steelprimus, Starzon29, Kayze, spiritual12, balzdragon, Muerte18, Ferous, Megas_, Mxyzptlk, Icoblablubb, Dogrec, VaJayJayWalker, gokub27