We should talk about a possible League restart

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Mashgesture#2912 wrote:

You seem to struggle with what inflation means.


The only thing gaining value right now. At least with your talking points.

Is the price of a mirror.

Divines however, are losing value right now.


So divines are, 100%, not in inflation at the moment.

And as of the patch, have actually lost value.


This is all available data through ninja, and in game as well.

If something is under inflation it loses value. Thats what inflation is.

Its the same in the real world. When a currency is under inflation, goods get more expensive and the currency loses value. In this case Divines are the currency not the good.

In inflation goods increase in price and currency loses value. Mirror is the good here and Divines are the currency.

We mean the exact same thing. Its just a missunderstanding.

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Alzucard#2422 wrote:

inflation definition in a vacuum and not applying to poe2

Inflation is about rising prices in a currency in POE2.


A falling Divine/Exalt exchange rate is the opposite of that.


In the last 5 days divines have lost value, 50 ex, not inflated.



You are still focused on your mirror/divine exchange rate. Which mirrors are inflated.

I don't think GGG has ever reset a league due to inflation for any reason.

You have a better chance of getting GGG to remove exp on lose.

You have a better chance of getting GGG to remove the Trials for something better.

You have a better chance of getting GGG to remove mob on death damage you cant see.

You have a better chance of getting GGG to have a stash tab sale. :) After all its like Menards 11% rebate that never happens.

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Mashgesture#2912 wrote:

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Alzucard#2422 wrote:

inflation definition in a vacuum and not applying to poe2

Inflation is about rising prices in a currency in POE2.


A falling Divine/Exalt exchange rate is the opposite of that.


In the last 5 days divines have lost value, 50 ex, not inflated.



You are still focused on your mirror/divine exchange rate. Which mirrors are inflated.

Now you make a crucial mistake. Exalts and Divines are both currencies. If one currency is losing value and the other doesnt or loses less value. Then you get the result you are describing.

Lets take a real world example. If the dollar (divines) would lose value, then you can buy more dollar with Euro (exalts). Or vise versa you could buy less euro with a dollar.

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Alzucard#2422 wrote:

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ArtCrusade#4438 wrote:

Sounds like you run out of substantive arguments to refute what Mash is saying, and instead of admitting the other side has a point you give up and wail

No message from me to Mash got deleted.

As i said im not answering him anymore and i explained why divines to mirror is a proper metric. The Higher Divines to Mirrors are the less Value divines have.

Its an indicator for how healthy the economy is.

Also what is that quote?? Its a different person alltogether.

Also please stay civil. Why so aggressive? Just because you disagree with me?

As multiple peolpe already explained this to you, divines to mirror is never, nor it will never be a solid/good metric to justify anything, because Divines are somewhat common, but mirrors are rarer than whatever you can think of. You have players who played POE 1 for thousands, and not like 1k or 2k, but upwards of 20k hours, and have never seen one, nor will they see one dropping. Mirrors are simply unabtainable for 99.99999999% of the player base, so again, it's not, nor it will ever be a good metric to measure anything aside from how good an item is.

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Alzucard#2422 wrote:

Now you make a crucial mistake. Exalts and Divines are both currencies. If one currency is losing value and the other doesnt or loses less value. Then you get the result you are describing.

Lets take a real world example. If the dollar (divines) would lose value, then you can buy more dollar with Euro (exalts). Or vise versa you could buy less euro with a dollar.

Exchange rate movement alone does not imply inflation.

Inflation requires a rise in prices denominated in that currency.

A falling Divine/Exalt rate only shows Divine depreciation vs Exalts, not inflation.

If Divines were inflating, they would cost more Exalts, not fewer.


inflation vs relative currency depreciation.

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Dyrum#5144 wrote:

I don't think GGG has ever reset a league due to inflation for any reason.

You have a better chance of getting GGG to remove exp on lose.

You have a better chance of getting GGG to remove the Trials for something better.

You have a better chance of getting GGG to remove mob on death damage you cant see.

You have a better chance of getting GGG to have a stash tab sale. :) After all its like Menards 11% rebate that never happens.

This to be honest. These threads are just white noise and no amount of complaining will have them even entertain the thought

I'm going to be honest with you guys, this might not be a the game for you.

There is this program call Excel Spreadsheet. You can pretend to be a big time day trader there at no cost.

Can we have an ARPG now? Where items I might USE drop... anything other than this sad sad replication of a market where people hang self value on fictional currency... I mean dollars already do that we need a simulator for it?

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BabaVoss#9386 wrote:

As multiple peolpe already explained this to you, divines to mirror is never, nor it will never be a solid/good metric to justify anything, because Divines are somewhat common, but mirrors are rarer than whatever you can think of. You have players who played POE 1 for thousands, and not like 1k or 2k, but upwards of 20k hours, and have never seen one, nor will they see one dropping. Mirrors are simply unabtainable for 99.99999999% of the player base, so again, it's not, nor it will ever be a good metric to measure anything aside from how good an item is.

It's worth to mention that price of mirror depends on what you can do with it. It's not surprising that after making mirrow bow on market without fee, when the same bow was mirror + 600div fee on TFT will have huge impact on the price.

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BabaVoss#9386 wrote:

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Alzucard#2422 wrote:

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ArtCrusade#4438 wrote:

Sounds like you run out of substantive arguments to refute what Mash is saying, and instead of admitting the other side has a point you give up and wail

No message from me to Mash got deleted.

As i said im not answering him anymore and i explained why divines to mirror is a proper metric. The Higher Divines to Mirrors are the less Value divines have.

Its an indicator for how healthy the economy is.

Also what is that quote?? Its a different person alltogether.

Also please stay civil. Why so aggressive? Just because you disagree with me?

As multiple peolpe already explained this to you, divines to mirror is never, nor it will never be a solid/good metric to justify anything, because Divines are somewhat common, but mirrors are rarer than whatever you can think of. You have players who played POE 1 for thousands, and not like 1k or 2k, but upwards of 20k hours, and have never seen one, nor will they see one dropping. Mirrors are simply unabtainable for 99.99999999% of the player base, so again, it's not, nor it will ever be a good metric to measure anything aside from how good an item is.

And as i explained its just a metric for how much value divines have. It was an example. It doesnt matter that Mirrors are unobtainable or not. Its not relevant. People buy mirrors to buy items with mirrors or copy items. How rare a mirror actually is is not relevant here. We actually see an increase in mirror supply. Mirrors drop more and at the same time increase in price. In 2 days they doubled in price.


It isnt the only Item that saw a massive increase in cost. Every single equipment item saw a huge increase in cost.

Simply because divines are more common.

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Dxt44#4050 wrote:

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BabaVoss#9386 wrote:

As multiple peolpe already explained this to you, divines to mirror is never, nor it will never be a solid/good metric to justify anything, because Divines are somewhat common, but mirrors are rarer than whatever you can think of. You have players who played POE 1 for thousands, and not like 1k or 2k, but upwards of 20k hours, and have never seen one, nor will they see one dropping. Mirrors are simply unabtainable for 99.99999999% of the player base, so again, it's not, nor it will ever be a good metric to measure anything aside from how good an item is.

It's worth to mention that price of mirror depends on what you can do with it. It's not surprising that after making mirrow bow on market without fee, when the same bow was mirror + 600div fee on TFT will have huge impact on the price.

Yes it does. But thats also a result of divines losing value. Many high tier items are traded in Mirrors and not Divines. Temporalis for example is 2 mirrors with 3 sockets its 3 mirrors. You see this with multiple items by now.