CI and Low Life -- totally inconsistent, Please rethink this!!!!

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SL4Y3R wrote:

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UnderOmerta wrote:

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SL4Y3R wrote:

Chayula ftw. All one needs is 2 anti-freeze/chill flasks and you're good to go.

2 anti-freeze/chill flasks is not going to keep you from being freeze locked if you're fighting double merveil or on maps with extra damage as cold, btw.

You'll need to give up another slot for another fairly useless item in dream fragments. And even then you're still talking about 5 second chill durations from anything that breaths on you with cold damage.

No, you don't. I run a RF + PA build. I've run plenty of high lvl maps. 2 flasks, and you're done. Would never give up a ring slot for DF.

^ ironic since I used to wear one in CB, and not chayula lol

Yeah, and I've run plenty of CI builds in high level maps. You get to Merveil in necropolis without dream fragments and you're permafrozen. You run out flask charges because you just get immediately frozen after you unfreeze yourself.

This may be different with a RF/PA lowlife totem build, since you hide behind totems, but if you're a caster or an attacker, good luck.

To my knowledge slurm has never done a totem build. I've seen him run a CI FP, low life FP and recently a low life discharger. Pretty sure the only people closer to the action than him are conc effect cleave/sweep users and anyone using splash.

Lowlife FPs actually are ok since they can freeze or at least chill pretty much anything in the game, thus preventing getting hit.

But if you think you can sit there and survive off of 2 heat flasks without some extenuating circumstances, you're very clearly wrong. There are monster combinations that will simply freezelock you.

I assume he's not saying that out of theory. I just told you 3 builds he'd have to deal with being frozen easily and he said he uses 2 flasks to counter it.

My last CI builds I used DF the one from CB I didn't use DF or chayula. So pretty sure it's a matter of your DPS and how much frustration you are willing to put up with, not a matter of possible or impossible.

I'm not going to debate this or anything but IMO there should be something to offset the extreme stuns you get as CI. Its so bad that you feel pushed to use chayula just to make it viable. I don't mind having to use dream fragments too much but chayla sucks and shoud we really HAVE to use certain uniques to survive just for taking CI?

I can't really see taking more health nodes as a viable solution to this because you already have to take a bunch of ES nodes along with everything else for your build and the health nodes will not add to your defense at all besides the effort to reduce stun. I just don't think you have enough spare nodes to justify doing that.

As always my opinion is subject to change thats just how I feel right now based on playing my CI fire witch.

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Moosifer wrote:

I assume he's not saying that out of theory. I just told you 3 builds he'd have to deal with being frozen easily and he said he uses 2 flasks to counter it.

My last CI builds I used DF the one from CB I didn't use DF or chayula. So pretty sure it's a matter of your DPS and how much frustration you are willing to put up with, not a matter of possible or impossible.

Potentially if one/both of those flasks is a sapphire, I could see it. Otherwise, he's just going to get frozen and refrozen each time he dispells freeze with certain mobs. The example I gave (necropolis merveil, especially on -max maps) can actually freezelock life-based builds if they don't have over 5k life, especially if she crits regularly with her ice spear.

If you don't have dream fragments for situations like these, you're going to have a hell of a time. I've tried it before, many times, before I decided I'm not going into a necropolis without one.

This is where not spamming one skill comes in handy. Toss fire traps, they make quick work of any lvl Merv.

Edit: Moos, you forgot my ice shot build and my Kaoms RF build. That one was a lot of fun in PvP.

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SL4Y3R wrote:

This is where not spamming one skill comes in handy. Toss fire traps, they make quick work of any lvl Merv.

Edit: Moos, you forgot my ice shot build and my Kaoms RF build. That one was a lot of fun in PvP.

No, I didn't forget it. I just didn't want them to say "well it's ranged of course he can dodge being frozen/stunned." Also both of those were life builds so don't really fit the "get stunned/frozen" all the time argument. You're a man of few words, didn't think you'd want your whole resume out there.

All ranged lol :). Only ranged build in there is ice shot.

Man that Kaoms RF build was hilarious.

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SL4Y3R wrote:

All ranged lol :). Only ranged build in there is ice shot.

Man that Kaoms RF build was hilarious.

I can't think of many builds that sound more boring tbh.