This game has a similar problem as d3- it's impossible to get good items without trading

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Qiox wrote:

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Yerond wrote:

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Shagsbeard wrote:

Nonsense. It's impossible to enjoy yourself once you start trading. Don't trade and the game is fine.

I would if the great items were more accessible.

If the great items were more accessible there would be no point in continuing to play.

Just how long do you think your 'fun' would continue if you knew there was no upgrades to any of your equipment ever to be found?

that's the point though, I'll either

A) Never find the upgrades
or
B) Never find the currency to buy the upgrades


which end up being the same thing: it's not fun because there is no upgrade that I could find.

Also I am not just talking "gg" items, but even upper middle items are extremely difficult to obtain without trading

the feeling I get is that this is more like a free market, where the cunning and heartless pirate would tend to shine. that seems to be the counter argument in the real world and in online RPGS. if you do not blanket the wealth then the select few individuals will claim it quickly and the bulk of people will scramble for bread crumbs by contrast.

I view this game and other advanced large scale RPGs the same as I view real life; bill gates exists, there are hundreds of thousands of people whose wealth is in the millions and billions, they own jets and castles and more land than you can shake a stick at

much like the troopers in default popping back Koams like they are breath mints.

I will never own one and I'm perfectly fine with that. from time to time I say god DAMN I wish i had all that stuff I wish i had a really high level character etc. etc. im lvl 64 right now I think. a lowly piddly dinky level 63 with gear probably classified as complete bullshit.

and my buddies? some of them make my obsession to video games look like a pinch of salt. guys who pump hundreds of days played into MMORPGS as a matter of routine. And I DESTROY them in this game, Diablo 3, Final fantasy 3, Gran Turismo, Lufia, Baldur's Gate etc..etc..

how is this all related? its like this:

play the game you want to the degree you want. Enjoy the contrast rather than wish to be black or white. Not to say that that is what you are doing OP, I TOTALLY understand your write up. but this is simply how I feel about it some of the time being in in a similar place as yourself...

I focus on me in Wraeclast. gritty muddy scumhole Wraeclast. scavenge the gear and study the tree and etch your way to the end. godly gear be damned. because its not me vs all the other players, its me vs me. dont make it to the end? It happens. It happened to me in Xenogears. quit the game while getting stomped in the very last dungeon....ouch.

How about you just produce neccessary upgrades on your own?

find three of the same kind of base item, and bring the one with the highest ilvl / best sockets / links to 20% quality.

Then alch it. if its good, you just got an upgrade.

if it isnt any good, you just bring the other two to 20% quality aswell, and transmute one of them. then you can sell all three of them and get your alch back.

using this method you cannot gain top items (since the ilvl is most likely too low), but you can probably still get a few usefull items, especially without trading.


Getting the armour scraps / blacksmith whetstones doesnt require trading either, since you can use the 40% quality recipe.

I don't see any great revelations here.

'Impossible to get' is hyperbole and should be dismissed.

What IS truth is that due to RNG and spectacularly low odds for certain items to drop (including the 'super' uniques and certain beautiful rare affix combinations/rolls), it is entirely more likely that someone else will get the item you want, simply because you're just you and they're legion. This is the core and the crux of any sort of trading situation -- even in real life, people have different opportunities to get things you want more than they do.

If this were not the case, Ebay would be dead, second hand shops wouldn't exist and Pawn Stars would very boring indeed.

I actually don't see that as a problem in D3.

I would argue the fact that in D3 you have zero commitment, and attachment to your character is a problem.

I would argue the fact that trading is TOO easy in D3 devaluing items at a ridiculously rapid rate is a problem.

I would argue that D3 has been nerfed to a point where stacking DPS is the only alternative, because the game is that faceroll easy is a problem.

I would not argue that the fact that trading is a big part of ARPG's makes it a problem.

Not the best but these are all the items I am currently using that I found/forged myself

Let me also add that Diablo 3's itemisation was based *around* the fact that you had an Auction House waiting at your disposal. I never found a unique/legendary, most of my drops were whites and shitty blues that had to be sold -- and then the basic npc merchant had crap all to sell. Eventually I had to suck it up and take my 10k gold (this was very early one) to the AH and then the game was ruined for me because that 10k gold, which wouldn't get me diddly or squat from the npcs, kitted me out to overpower thanks to the AH.

Make no mistake: D3 was allllll about using that Auction House. The RMAH was just that subtle next step -- the real bait was the gold-based AH, which felt 'okay' to use since you weren't using pay to win. Problem was, and of course Blizzivision knew this, the step from GAH to RMAH was a mere click, and once you got a taste for those awesome items, it would be so easy...

so easy...

NO!

Click quit, never look back.

Phew.

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Koivu wrote:

I've beaten the entire game gotten to 75 and done many maps all self found solo play. I don't have anything over a 4L and none of my gear would probably even be worth much of anything on a trade market as its marginal. You can do it without trading if you really want to :)

And lv75 places you on what place on your ladder? And how do you do in the arena?

Scrub.

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Zhatan wrote:

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Koivu wrote:

I've beaten the entire game gotten to 75 and done many maps all self found solo play. I don't have anything over a 4L and none of my gear would probably even be worth much of anything on a trade market as its marginal. You can do it without trading if you really want to :)

And lv75 places you on what place on your ladder? And how do you do in the arena?

Scrub.

My highest level character ever was 62.

And I have almost twice the season reward points than account 'Zhatan' has.

Am I a scrub too?

Do yourself a favour and leave that sort of attitude at the door or you might find yourself being kicked through that door very swiftly. :)