PvP?? Can we get clarity??? Lost exiles being used for PvP testing?

I don't think PvP is a good game mode for this game.

I don't know if PoE1 still has PvP, but while it had it, it turned into a shit show, because people were able to snipe you off screen with AoE.

And if you entered PvP with a melee build against someone with a build optimised for nuking stuff off screen - You have no chance of wining, you just fed a guy PvP ranking.

PvX would make more sense if you implement game modes like, who ever finds and kills the boss first wins, or whoever survives most waves wins or who ever gathers the highest item score in their backback in terms of loot wins.

In my experience all games who put PvP first failed miserably and I would rather game devs focus on either PvX or Group Content, rather than pure PvP, because the list of pure PvP games that bit the dust is way too long.
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Lore#3772 wrote:

It’s not that it’s not a PvP game, you are not a PvP player.

It's not a PvP game, no matter what type of player you are. That much should be clear from the last 10+ years of GGG's development philosophy.

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Lore#3772 wrote:

People who have no respect for PvP should stay out of the conversation, developers already cater to casuals enough thanks.

Ah, there we go. "You don't agree with me so you must be <insert uncreative insult here>".

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Lore#3772 wrote:

All those fancy badges and your response is trash, love it.

If you don't want to be disagreed with, don't post on a public forum. Especially not if your ego can't handle pushback.

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Lore#3772 wrote:

News flash Mr.Narcissist not everything is about you.

How can you even write this without the slightest sense of irony?

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PvP isn’t for everybody, just like killing the same boss 10000 times isn’t for everybody and running maps 10000 times isn’t for everybody.

PvP also gives people an opportunity to take a break from PvE and do something else in game. Which adds to the diversity of the game itself.

So people in a game based on a pure PvE game, developed and marketed as a PvE game would want to take a break from the PvE game... why?

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Lore#3772 wrote:

By not having PvP they only handicap the possibilities.

No. Also having PvP does require resources. "Possibilities" don't come for free in software development.


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A HUGE PORTION, of the missing player base would be enticed to come back to at least try it out. Especially if we get PvP that isn’t just 1v1 and we get like team battle maps with objectives and stuff. I also think 1v1 would be fun to figure out the meta for.

So you are just making up things now to "support your point"?

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This isn’t rocket science, a game is a living organism and not having PvP in this genre is like taking a vital organ right from the organism and expecting it to live and perform the same.

You mean the genre famous for having PvP as an afterthought, if that? I'm curious, does it take any effort to just make these things up?


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A simple yes/no will suffice you don’t have to go into dramatic detail unless you truly wish to, but a lot of us want to know and you’d be surprised how many players you’d get back from letting everyone know PvP is planned.

I don't think they'd be surprised, as the number probably ranges somewhere from nonexistent to insignificant. I mean it's not like they have more than a decade of data on how many people actually want PvP in PoE to begin with and have designed the game and marketing around it based on that...

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I still think the game is great even if you don’t add PvP. But without it I don’t see the lasting power.

Now that's alarming! YOU don't see the lasting power. Well GGG better do something then! We all know PoE 1 didn't last for a year with only the absolute bare minimum PvP implemented.

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Lore#3772 wrote:

People who disrespect PvP have full forfeiture of their opinion at the second it’s released. PvP isn’t for everyone, it doesn’t fit everyone’s taste. But it does breathe life into a game when without it any game with it would feel tremendously more dead and hollow.


No, they haven't. It's just your fragile little ego that can't handle opposing opinions, so you want to exclude people you know don't agree with you from the conversation, because you know you have no argument whatsoever. Thankfully, that's not how discussions or forums work. You don't have any say in whether someone is "allowed" to voice their opinion. None whatsoever.

You can be all doom and gloom as you like, but any available metric around PoE1/2 proof you wrong.


You can believe whatever you want, look at IQ statistics. Most people are too inept to ever understand the intricacies of what makes a game healthy and gives it longevity. This isn’t rocket science but it does require basic understanding of principles of human psychology.

Just because something doesn’t fit the taste of a majority doesn’t mean you shouldn’t implement it. But you are right man, I bet at full release without PvP this game won’t be considered dull and old from a 2 year beta.

Sure it’ll be f2p so sure bots will bolstering a majority of the player base number.

Works that way in every f2p major release.

Without PvP the game has no soul. It only has the relentless never ending grind.

Giving players more ways to play into the end game = more players that’ll be playing.

Also giving guilds a purpose with PvP would be very intelligent because that’s player retention and people will care more about having full guild roster.

Rn they have people investing hundreds of dollars into guild cosmetics and guilds basically only serve the purpose of making matchmaking for mapping or breaches or bossing easier and gives people support in good guilds.

Having actual ranked guilds would be lit. There’s an entire type of player who loves being part of that type of thing. And those are your long term players.

You can make up whatever argument you want to say it doesn’t fit in this game, the fact is the game is better with PvP implemented correctly than it is without PvP ever implemented.

You know what else is wild? Where did I ask for your opinion on my feedback?
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hilarous and so well argued

thx for that , masterclass !
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Lore#3772 wrote:
You can believe whatever you want, look at IQ statistics.

I just did, and weirdly enough, PvP was not mentioned there at all?!

Anyway, I love that you desperately try to sound smart and profound by throwing in "rocket science" and "psychology", while simultaneously displaying a stunning lack of self awareness. It's always fun to see people like you trying to make a point by using these words as if just mentioning them somehow supports an argument. Anyhow, that reply told me everything I needed to know, so have fun convincing yourself of how important PvP is in an ARPG.
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Lore#3772 wrote:
You can believe whatever you want, look at IQ statistics.

I just did, and weirdly enough, PvP was not mentioned there at all?!

Anyway, I love that you desperately try to sound smart and profound by throwing in "rocket science" and "psychology", while simultaneously displaying a stunning lack of self awareness. It's always fun to see people like you trying to make a point by using these words as if just mentioning them somehow supports an argument. Anyhow, that reply told me everything I needed to know, so have fun convincing yourself of how important PvP is in an ARPG.


Look at my initial comment, where did it ask for your egotistical entitled opinion that has nothing to do with the topic?

Oh I didn’t, cool, have a good day Mr narcissist

If you needed a reminder, the world doesn’t turn for you.

I’m speaking on behalf of an entire community of players. You are speaking on behalf of your ego, do you work for ggg? Did I ask for your opinion?

Wow two no’s.

Again, go find a mirror, look into it, and take off the clown make up.

There are plenty of people who feel the same way I feel about this. Just because we aren’t a majority doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be heard and answered for our own time and energy. Especially because we are the furthest thing from casual players. PvP requires you to actually do more work and min maxing than anything else in the game.
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Please keep the comments civil and focusing on the topic of the thread itself, thanks!
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Lore#3772 wrote:

Look at my initial comment, where did it ask for your egotistical entitled opinion that has nothing to do with the topic?

Oh I didn’t, cool, have a good day Mr narcissist

If you needed a reminder, the world doesn’t turn for you.


You asked for it the moment you opened a thread on a public forum. Is that really that hard to understand?

Maybe it is, seeing that you use words like Narcissist without any irony, or knowledge what that word means. Or do you just call anyone not agreeing with you that? Quite the fragile little ego we have there, haven't we?

Seriously, how can you write any of this without stopping to think: "Everything I am writing right now probably fully applies to me more then the person I reply to"?
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Lore#3772 wrote:

Look at my initial comment, where did it ask for your egotistical entitled opinion that has nothing to do with the topic?

Oh I didn’t, cool, have a good day Mr narcissist

If you needed a reminder, the world doesn’t turn for you.


You asked for it the moment you opened a thread on a public forum. Is that really that hard to understand?

Maybe it is, seeing that you use words like Narcissist without any irony, or knowledge what that word means. Or do you just call anyone not agreeing with you that? Quite the fragile little ego we have there, haven't we?

Seriously, how can you write any of this without stopping to think: "Everything I am writing right now probably fully applies to me more then the person I reply to"?


Actually I didn’t. At no point did I, or anyone else other than yourself ask you to interject. Also what’s the point of your interjection? That you’d rather not see PvP in the game? Cool I’d rather not see a lot of things I experience in games. Id rather not have to do a no hit run to get temporalis. I’d rather bosses be tuned way harder so most of you couldn’t cheese them.

I’d rather bosses have a 30-60 second health duration where they can’t be killed and you actually have to use skill to survive and glass cannon is totally unviable without absolute skill and precision.

Just because I’d rather those things in this game doesn’t mean I want everyone to suffer because it’s that much harder. If everyone likes it the way it is cool.

Taking an aspect of a game away because you don’t like it and it’s not for you is the definition of ego driven logic.

So again, good day Mr narcissist. Try again another time.
Last edited by Lore#3772 on Apr 29, 2025, 7:11:49 PM
Can't possibly have pvp. Meta builds deal millions of damage. Pvp would be completely based on who can hit first and its full one shots every time. Pvp is a rediculous idea in a game like this.
like draco said just above ,

" I don't know if PoE1 still has PvP, but while it had it, it turned into a shit show, because people were able to snipe you off screen with AoE.

And if you entered PvP with a melee build against someone with a build optimised for nuking stuff off screen - You have no chance of wining, you just fed a guy PvP ranking "


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