Message from an SSF player: You are disrespecting our time

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Aim_High#3562 wrote:

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plz#2115 wrote:

Play another build that requires piano play on your keyboard, make it meaningful and exciting.

if someone can show me a build with more skill expresion that is faster/more time efficient, i would love to. i cant even find one thats endgame viable. the tools are just not there, in either the skills or mobs.

idk I'm having fun hc ssf, I've spent like 20 hours in act 2 grinding, just got a lesser jewelers orb and now huting a rare beast for tame beast.. maybe my opinion but there is a game here which hard working people have toiled over for years and the only folk I see ruining their own experience are the ones who rush to end game and then say they're too weak need more drops. well you rushed to end game that was your fault.

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rhorains#6760 wrote:

idk I'm having fun hc ssf, I've spent like 20 hours in act 2 grinding, just got a lesser jewelers orb and now huting a rare beast for tame beast.. maybe my opinion but there is a game here which hard working people have toiled over for years and the only folk I see ruining their own experience are the ones who rush to end game and then say they're too weak need more drops. well you rushed to end game that was your fault.

Yup, people want instant gratification on modes that are supposed to be more challenging.

Its just a big question mark at the end of the day from me.

Im doing fine on SSF.

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rhorains#6760 wrote:

idk I'm having fun hc ssf, I've spent like 20 hours in act 2 grinding, just got a lesser jewelers orb and now huting a rare beast for tame beast.. maybe my opinion but there is a game here which hard working people have toiled over for years and the only folk I see ruining their own experience are the ones who rush to end game and then say they're too weak need more drops. well you rushed to end game that was your fault.

This is satire right? You're like .000001% of people who are ok with farming in a2 of any campaign in any game for 20 hours when it takes an 1-2 hours at worst to get through even on league start.

I don't really think people think they're too weak and they need more drops. I think people are annoyed that you can farm up 20-30 regals and exalts. And not be able to make a single item with them that's worth using. I myself did this today, I was trying to craft a weapon and wasted 22 exalts, around 220k gold, and idk how many regals I wasn't counting, just trying to make a decent weapon. I ended up with a weapon that was around a 50 dps increase from my old one. My old one was crap also.

I just want crafting to actually work. This "vision" crafting of praying is not fun. Poe 1 crafting is so much better. I hate brickable bases, that was the worst thing about last epoch crafting imo. I hate it with a passion.

Being able to slap on a few essences of contempt and craft the chosen % phys mod feels so much better.

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Lonnie455Rich#2087 wrote:

I just want crafting to actually work. This "vision" crafting of praying is not fun. Poe 1 crafting is so much better. I hate brickable bases, that was the worst thing about last epoch crafting imo. I hate it with a passion.

Being able to slap on a few essences of contempt and craft the chosen % phys mod feels so much better.

my comment was not satire and no i'm not in the 0.00001% or whatever lol. arguing for better crafting is fine, I agree the current system is a bit punishing, the fact that you can get 4 god-like rolls on a piece of equipment and then brick it with light radius with no reliable way to undo that is painful.

however, it does make the game more playable IMO because the more "elusive" that perfect gear is, the better the game longevity, but I agree it could be more forgiving to where you can eventually get those mods you want. hopefully itemization continues to be improved without sacrificing what *is* working.

but again, back at my initial post/point - really not satire. I am a long time D2 player and my biggest gripe in D2 is that there's not a high ceiling for perfecting gear. you can be satisfied with less-than-optimal RNG on equipment.

it's hard for me to understand why players seem to be of the idea that in an ARPG there's nothing to be enjoyed until the end game, and then they go to the end game and say it's not enjoyable. think about that. a problem of their own making.

the way you say that, "it takes 2 hours to get through at worst"? you're literally implying that it's meant to be rushed through/ignored so you can get to the "real game" but it's literally not meant to be rushed through or ignored. you are creating your own problem.

you are breaking the game, and then asking them to fix what you broke.

I can understand I guess on softcore, since there really is no risk, or challenge, then maybe it makes sense to rush to end game where you can finally find some risk (xp loss on death I guess). but for that reason I don't play softcore, where is the fun in that.

I wasn't implying you had a skill level of someone in that top demographic. I just mean the game is not marketable to people that are ok with grinding 20 hours in act 2 because you are very very few. I seriously doubt you will play this game every league and do that. You may do it once, but ever 3-4 months on a league start no shot you do that.

My 6 year old beat act 2 within 2 hours on a warrior with me just telling him to click the table/wps and follow the blue lines on the edges.

Act 2 is not hard. There is nothing to accomplish there. Farming it for 20 hours is pointless.

No where in my post did i say you had to rush to endgame.

The point of playing a game is progressing through the game. Would you load up pokemon yellow and try and farm to 99 before you get to brock?

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Lonnie455Rich#2087 wrote:

I wasn't implying you had a skill level of someone in that top demographic. I just mean the game is not marketable to people that are ok with grinding 20 hours in act 2 because you are very very few. I seriously doubt you will play this game every league and do that. You may do it once, but ever 3-4 months on a league start no shot you do that.

My 6 year old beat act 2 within 2 hours on a warrior with me just telling him to click the table/wps and follow the blue lines on the edges.

Act 2 is not hard. There is nothing to accomplish there. Farming it for 20 hours is pointless.

No where in my post did i say you had to rush to endgame.

The point of playing a game is progressing through the game. Would you load up pokemon yellow and try and farm to 99 before you get to brock?

well I don't wish to argue, nothing we can agree on. it's not about skill, I can go to end game now if I want but then I'll have the problem everyone is facing, being undergeared. when I get to end game I won't be having much trouble.

finding a jeweler's orb after almost 15 hours grinding, on HC SSF, feels pretty good. if I had found that just progressing normally it wouldn't feel so great, to me.

on the pokemon comparison, no because I would have to break the game to find myself in that situation (since you are not allowed to leave that town until you defeat brock, I would have to deliberately do something not intended by the game to get past the NPC, then go overlevel and come back, then I'd be in a no-challenge, no-fun situation. I wouldn't then go to the devs and say WTF fix your game, because I would be the one who played it not as intended).

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Lonnie455Rich#2087 wrote:

I wasn't implying you had a skill level of someone in that top demographic. I just mean the game is not marketable to people that are ok with grinding 20 hours in act 2 because you are very very few. I seriously doubt you will play this game every league and do that. You may do it once, but ever 3-4 months on a league start no shot you do that.

My 6 year old beat act 2 within 2 hours on a warrior with me just telling him to click the table/wps and follow the blue lines on the edges.

Act 2 is not hard. There is nothing to accomplish there. Farming it for 20 hours is pointless.

No where in my post did i say you had to rush to endgame.

The point of playing a game is progressing through the game. Would you load up pokemon yellow and try and farm to 99 before you get to brock?

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The only people regrinding zones though are SSF.


You make it sound like this is general. Its not. Its only for SSF... which is already the .0001 of players.

The only time in ssf ive regrinded zones in poe1 is for betrayal encounters for hybrid res or chosen % phys mods. This is not a common thing. Why linger in a zone that has low tier mods. Thats not a thing.

Most people that actually play hc/hcssf don't even regrind campaign zones in gauntlet. The good gear isn't in the campaign.

SSF doesn't have to be a large group of players to get some data on the game based on ssf. If the ssf experience is slow and bad then that is first time players experience.

First time players aren't going to enjoy having to go to the trade site constantly and figure out that ui. They want to play the game. Especially people that play sctrade and they are confused why they have to spam 20 people to get a response.

The first time player experience is essentially ssf, even though they're in trade league. You brick that, you make players quit early.

You keep making these references to the fact that you play hc like I'm not also a hc player. I'm not an imbecile. I know what its like.

You won't have good gear by farming in act 2. The item mods that are on good gear don't exist at that point in the game and all the bases are too low of a tier. If you want to keep your gear updated then you will need to progress into higher level zones.

You can grind your pokemons levels fighting lvl 3-4 pidgeys and ratatta before brock. Which is essentially what you're doing farming act 2. You get almost no value out of lingering there.

I don't want to spoil it, but you're going to laugh once you get to act 3 if you are a zone completionist.