David Brevik [ Creator of D1 and D2 ] on ARPG’s and What Cheapens the Experience
" No it's not. In fact the devs conflicting design speaks to this. It's so bad that they have to put in loads of on-death effects on every mob, slowing you down. But it's so "good" that they keep designing it to cater to the vocal minority that enjoys it. It makes no sense. Clearly, it doesn't belong. The vast majority of the feedback is "Campaign feels very good, endgame feels very bad." One button zoom builds are inherently bad for the game as a whole. As more content comes out, how do you "get better"? How do they put "better loot" in the game so that you can become stronger? They can't. Everything about it sucks. If you want it, go play a bullet hell game, because that's not what this game was advertised as and the overwhelming majority feel as if this is flagrant false advertising at best. |
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Yeah, but PoE1 players will scream that "game too slow", and review bomb.
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" That wasn't my point, pretty sure the devs halted on doing regular balancing and switched to League oriented large balancing, because people were similarly 'screaming' against it, mainly when the nerfed Cast on Freeze, Comet. " |
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" The vast majority of ppl at this forum right. Others who's just playing fine. " GGG never told "this game will be slow pace or something like that". Their showcases was the same even in poe1 btw. " funny. how is on-death effects slowing you down |
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" Yes it's bad. Yes, I want Dark Souls, like the gameplay of the first two acts. I created a warrior. But it's still a "one-button clicker", but it's x10 times slower than other classes. Do you like it because you want a clicker instead of an action RPG? |
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While I know Diablo 2 is a majority favorite. It also did quite a few things wrong.
Most notably it's itemization. I actually made a Topic about this. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3713317 - "Diablo 1 - Best Loot and Itemization to Date - Modder explains." In this I explain how Diablo 1 did it better and how there was actually and end-game. If you check it out you might agree how the base concepts work much better. The TLTR would be "Everything is worth doing". No Baal / Mephisto spam. I can talk about other things Diablo 2 did wrong but I feel this part is universally known. Keep in mind ARPGs came from CRPGs and that's where the continue evolution is failing us. "Never trust floating women." -Officer Kirac
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we're going to remove speed and make campaign nice and slow... end game we're going to give you negative cooldown on armour so you can teleport across an entire map in 2 seconds.
Honestly take a fkn poll GGG |
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" I might be able to help explain why it's bad. The primary answer is immersion. When you don't care what the enemy type you're fighting is. When you don't interact with the map layout. When you don't interact with objects within the map. Obviously it's about killing monsters but it's also about exploring, finding secrets, interacting with you surroundings. It is in the end an RPG after all. GGG is far over committed to their "MMO-Lite" boss mechanics. Not every big nasty needs an arena. This also ties into the random Rare Affix concept. It's lazy. They can do far better by giving Rare enemies different AI interactions. Above all this players should not feel forced into spamming rares and bosses as the best means of progression. Everything needs to be all encompassing or there will always be a detached feeling. "Never trust floating women." -Officer Kirac
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" Well said. |
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" I created a warrior. Entire screens die to stampede and its aftershocks. I created another warrior. Warcries blow up entire screens and nothing can touch me in melee. I created another warrior. Totems clear entire screens while i'm sorting my inventory because loot is the only thing i could see after all the shockwaves. I created another warrior. Even auto attack still clears entire screens with cultist hammer. I'll try resonating shield/magma barrier next time but something tells me the result will be the same. And warrior is the LEAST speed clearing class of all. Last edited by onetruelai#7327 on Feb 8, 2025, 7:26:48 AM
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