I'm worried GGG took our money and ran

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FruitLord#0833 wrote:

PoE2 hasn't had a single large update. Don't confuse pages of "tweaks" that have zero impact as large updates. There was a big nerf to trigger skills right away which simply limited players from experimenting more. And then there was 0.1.1 that did nothing to change the game core systems or fix any big problems.

So that's fine, as long as you are communicating. But they aren't. No serious discussion about core systems being busted, or not fun for players, or whatever.

This is the really damning part. They're already down to about 150k players in about 6 weeks, SIX! From half a million at launch. That's BAD.

But they haven't even bothered to try fixing the big issues. They've pretty much threw one class under the bus and backed up over it multiple times (Warrior). It's like they don't know what they're doing.

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Nagisawa#4090 wrote:

This is the really damning part. They're already down to about 150k players in about 6 weeks, SIX! From half a million at launch. That's BAD.

But they haven't even bothered to try fixing the big issues. They've pretty much threw one class under the bus and backed up over it multiple times (Warrior). It's like they don't know what they're doing.

First: They were 4 weeks on holiday. Ofc they didnt do anything during that time.
Second: The decline of players is absolutely normal in a live service game. Players already played 100-300 hours and had their fill. They'll return once a big update comes.

Lets take a look at PoE1 steam charts:



See that? Every few month, when a new season is released, the playerbase gets a huge spike (mostly 250k players at release day) and then decreases to 8k players (right now) at the end of a season. As you can see, this is pretty normal and GGG has nothing to worry about. GGG doesn't profit of having players online. They only profit from players who buy supporter packs. And this happened already with this season (EA release).

Echoes bens point that in early access, things need to be updating often. I know they came off holidays but considering they have a whole lot they need to add, let alone the current designs that may need reworking (such as the gem system, what happened to no damage supports??), where the heck are the changes?

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AceNightfire#0980 wrote:

It's funny how you only quote the part-

Responding over & over to slightly different variations of the same deaf rhetoric do get quickly stale .
You bring nothing new to the table here .

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Ashyev#5110 wrote:

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AceNightfire#0980 wrote:

It's funny how you only quote the part-

Responding over & over to slightly different variations of the same deaf rhetoric do get quickly stale .
You bring nothing new to the table here .

Oh, I did bring alot of arguments you couldn't invalidate, while I was able to invalidate yours easily. Like the arguments with 8 patches for Cyberpunk. You know you're wrong here and that's why you suddenly don't talk about your Cyberpunk example anymore. It's simple as that.

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AceNightfire#0980 wrote:

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Ashyev#5110 wrote:

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AceNightfire#0980 wrote:

It's funny how you only quote the part-

Responding over & over to slightly different variations of the same deaf rhetoric do get quickly stale .
You bring nothing new to the table here .

Oh, I did bring alot of arguments you couldn't invalidate, while I was able to invalidate yours easily. Like the arguments with 8 patches for Cyberpunk. You know you're wrong here and that's why you suddenly don't talk about your Cyberpunk example anymore. It's simple as that.

A lot ? The only new piece i saw here was a weird tangent about "review bombing on steam" which has absolutely nothing to do with the point(s) that was discussed . Got more ?

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Ashyev#5110 wrote:

A lot ? The only new piece i saw here was a weird tangent about "review bombing on steam" which has absolutely nothing to do with point(s) that was discussed . Got more ?

What about the fact, that 8 patches dont mean anything? Me and someone else already have stated, that all these 8 patches were simple and small stability hotfixes that by far didn't fix much about the game. That means GGG already did in this short time more for PoE2 then CDProject for Cyberpunk. And you used that example to bolster your argument about "GGG needs turbo mode".
On top of that, Cyberpunk was a 1.0 release, while PoE2 is an EA and is already more stable then Cyberpunk to begin with.

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AceNightfire#0980 wrote:

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Ashyev#5110 wrote:

A lot ? The only new piece i saw here was a weird tangent about "review bombing on steam" which has absolutely nothing to do with point(s) that was discussed . Got more ?

What about the fact, that 8 patches dont mean anything? Me and someone else already have stated, that all these 8 patches were simple and small stability hotfixes that by far didn't fix much about the game. That means GGG already did in this short time more for PoE2 then CDProject for Cyberpunk. And you used that example to bolster your argument about "GGG needs turbo mode".
On top of that, Cyberpunk was a 1.0 release, while PoE2 is an EA and is already more stable then Cyberpunk to begin with.

I already addressed your "poe2 is stable" as complete BS demonstrated by the ongoing 500 pages thread of crashes on PC that is still not fixed by GGG :

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Investigating cases where some players experience crashes related to Multithreading and have to restart their PCs. This seems to mostly be for players with the Windows 24H2 update.

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3594260

So what you spin as "just stability fixes made by CDPR no biggie" , to this day we're still waiting on GGG to deliver exactly that as i said for pages already lmao

So , got more ?

Best thread on the internet

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Ashyev#5110 wrote:

I already addressed your "poe2 is stable" as complete BS demonstrated by the ongoing 500 pages thread of crashes on PC that is still not fixed by GGG :

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Investigating cases where some players experience crashes related to Multithreading and have to restart their PCs. This seems to mostly be for players with the Windows 24H2 update.

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3594260

So what you spin as "just stability fixes made by CDPR no biggie" , to this day we're still waiting on GGG to deliver exactly that as i said for pages already lmao

So , got more ?

So Hotfixes are enough to argument for "Turbo Mode"?

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-forum/2212/page/1

38 Hotfixes since Launchdate. And all of them have bug fixes, many target problems regarding crash issues and some target stability. On top of that, they also balanced stuff and reworked uniques. That is more then what CDProject did for Cyberpunk.

So according to your definition of "Turbo Mode", I guess GGG must be extremely in Turbo Mode then. I mean, 38 hotfixes vs 8 hotfixes is a huge difference.

PS: I also adressed your 500 pages bug thread argument already. But that got ignored by you.

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inspecktadeck#3108 wrote:

Best thread on the internet

Get some popcorn. A good show to enjoy.