XP Loss, a division for no reason.

Why bother making 3 leagues then? Everyone that isn't hardcore would just want to play easy mode since there would be no consequences, and "standard" would just be the new ruthless, aka 2-3 streamers play it and that's it.

The real punishment is losing your whole instance, not the exp loss. Every PoE1 SC veteran has lost a whole 60% to one specific mob in a map, and yet they come back. Meanwhile, losing the whole instance is far, far more punishing. If 6 portals actually meant 6 tries, people would be fine with SC even if there's exp loss.

I'm fine with losing exp, take it as a learning experience, but I'm not fine losing an instance because betrayal offscreen oneshots made a cheeky comeback.

[EDIT] Are you actually suggesting infinite portal per instance in the easy league, or that you can use all 6 portals without losing your instance on death?

+1 for softcore. The game doesn't feel rewarding to play in its current state. Currency doesn't drop unless you stack MF, the loot is too RNG and often not for your current class, and all the penalties for dying suck. I don't see myself playing/investing more money into the game until those issues go away. It'd be nice to have a "chill" mode where I can find items on my own with less malicious RNG and not have to worry about the stupid economy.

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chugaalpoe#6510 wrote:

P.S.: Its just a speculation but is it possible that those who defend the xp loss here, are fearing that there carryservice, they wana establish, will be unnecessary if the xp loss will be gone

Its fear. The core of the denial is the fear that other parts of the game get changed too. They have the intention of liking the game and supporting the company, but attracting more customers is not a point to look at for them. Its their status and their feeling that gets in their way. Thats also why you see slippery slope arguments where they talk about "hand outs" like the removal of the loss would lead to free loot for everyone. They also act like only a small portion of players isnt happy with it, yet approval after 100+ hours is only 72%.

The fact that the company itself doesnt position itself just makes it worse because GGG nows if theyx would ever clearly say they never remove it a portion of the players would not play the game.

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Redthorne82#3177 wrote:

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Xebov#4972 wrote:

So you are fine with removing it then. If you dont care about the level of others than there is no argument to be made to keep the mechanic.

"You dont like our wares, go somewhere else" is not a valid business model. Its not like ppl expect unreasonable changes here. Its the one hot topic that would not change anything about the gameplay at all and would not have any negative impact. It would howver bring in more players and last i looked GGG burns an easy 3-4m a month just in salaries so more customers dont exactly hurt them.

Disingenuous BULL. Every time. It's not about caring about your level or their level (but I understand why you, someone who only cares about your stature against others, would see that first and foremost).

It's the fact that guess what? BEING LEVEL 100 IS BORING. You can bitch and moan and complain ALL you want, but no one loves BEING max level. If you really want it, you refine your build and play your best and FINALLY MAKE IT. It's the journey that matters...

...and I promise you'll remember "dying at level 99 and 99% but spending 5 more hours to come back and hit 100" far more than "I did the thing anyone can do with little to no effort"

Getting max level gives people closure, a unique psychological satisfaction that greatly boosts player retention. "I finally reached the goal"
-> time to make a new character or come back next league (180-250h playtime for a casual is basically an entire league anyway)

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SilverKidia#6258 wrote:

Why bother making 3 leagues then? Everyone that isn't hardcore would just want to play easy mode since there would be no consequences, and "standard" would just be the new ruthless, aka 2-3 streamers play it and that's it.

The real punishment is losing your whole instance, not the exp loss. Every PoE1 SC veteran has lost a whole 60% to one specific mob in a map, and yet they come back. Meanwhile, losing the whole instance is far, far more punishing. If 6 portals actually meant 6 tries, people would be fine with SC even if there's exp loss.

I'm fine with losing exp, take it as a learning experience, but I'm not fine losing an instance because betrayal offscreen oneshots made a cheeky comeback.

[EDIT] Are you actually suggesting infinite portal per instance in the easy league, or that you can use all 6 portals without losing your instance on death?

If everyone would play the new softcore then that kind of argues in favor of it as you just said no one wants the current penalties. People would still hate SC even with, the feeling of loss. People already play press pause 24/7 like maniacs due to this fear of loss. It is unhealthy and bad for the game in every sense.

+1 trillion

Just give us difficulty modes, but also still have all Softcore leagues share the same trade economy and then everyone gets to have fun. People that enjoy on-death penalties can play in their uber-uber hardcore mode while people that enjoy fun can play in the easiest Softcore mode.

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+1

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BK2710#6123 wrote:

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SilverKidia#6258 wrote:

Why bother making 3 leagues then? Everyone that isn't hardcore would just want to play easy mode since there would be no consequences, and "standard" would just be the new ruthless, aka 2-3 streamers play it and that's it.

The real punishment is losing your whole instance, not the exp loss. Every PoE1 SC veteran has lost a whole 60% to one specific mob in a map, and yet they come back. Meanwhile, losing the whole instance is far, far more punishing. If 6 portals actually meant 6 tries, people would be fine with SC even if there's exp loss.

I'm fine with losing exp, take it as a learning experience, but I'm not fine losing an instance because betrayal offscreen oneshots made a cheeky comeback.

[EDIT] Are you actually suggesting infinite portal per instance in the easy league, or that you can use all 6 portals without losing your instance on death?

If everyone would play the new softcore then that kind of argues in favor of it as you just said no one wants the current penalties. People would still hate SC even with, the feeling of loss. People already play press pause 24/7 like maniacs due to this fear of loss. It is unhealthy and bad for the game in every sense.

What I wanted to say is that there's no need to have 6 different leagues, we can have our current softcore have 6 tries per instance instead of losing all portals on death.

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arandan#3174 wrote:

OH I have a lot of arguments, I'm just tired of repeating them to every single sycophant who wants to turn this franchise into mush, like they have done with every single fucking previous one.

If you want easy games and instant gratification, there are many games for out of there, go fucking play those instead of trying to ruin another one with your whining.

You must have quite a bit of anger in you to feel the need to swear in every other sentence to make a point. Swearing and e-bravado never really won an argument though.

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arandan#3174 wrote:

Don't you worry your pants, people like me will support this company to the end of the fucking world. I only display here a tiny fraction of what I'm willing to spend in order to keep the integrity of this franchise intact.

I think that you are in no position whatsoever to come to a conclusion or definitive stance of how a game/product is meant to be designed and build, especially not this one. I don't believe I saw your credentials on any C-Level position within GGG, please do correct me if I'm wrong. Hence why in my presentation/proposal, call it as you please, I made it pretty clear that it's their decision, we can only provide well stated arguments for each side.

That being said, I believe that it's worth taking a step back if you're willing to and realize that you're as significant and in turn as insignificant voice as well as any other person in this forum. Don't think that you're neither better nor worse than anyone else, just a simple reality check from time to time goes a long way.

If by "spending" you're literally talking in terms of money, that doesn't mean anything. The deal is that you chose to spend it at your own free will and that doesn't include any contract clauses in giving you the right to make any decisions or steering the company to what you think is best, not just by yourself at least.

Sorry to shatter your dreams like a delirium mirror by the way.

If a decision from GGG happens to align with yours, well that's just individuals agreeing ( and that includes a multitude of other people also ), they didn't align theirs according to you specifically though.

Aside: I don't know why the game has different standards from the forum. There's clearly a profanity filter in-game, which could've easily been applied as an option in a forum. Nice feature request to have though!