It's Time For Magic Finding to Go

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cowmoo275#3095 wrote:

Ah of course.....the usual mf party dog whistle from someone who clearly doesn't understand markets or even basic facts about what these big mf parties even do to the market.

Lets go over some really really really basic actual realities:

1) "Economy more difficult to control"......come on man. This line alone makes your entire post meaningless. The economy is NOT controlled, that is the entire point of the market and the economy. It adjusted according to what goes into it and what the MASSES have determined things are worth.

2) The number of mf-dedicated parties that ACTUALLY make a difference in the market is near-zero. Even a party like the named one in the OP has an almost negligible effect on YOUR interaction with the market. You could make the same argument about solo players that get to endgame in the very first day and start flooding the market with high end crafted items from day 1. And these solo players do far more "damage" (if you can really call it that).

3) The post completely and utterly erases all the BENEFITS that such a party bring to the market. More supply, cheaper purchases, cheaper uniques, cheaper "middle class" builds, etc. When the market is flooded with items, "devaluing" your currency as claimed, it only does so on upper end items. Everything else gets pushed so cheap that far more folks get to interact with items they normally wouldn't. Regular examples = tabula rasa, goldrim, etc. The more these items are farmed early, the cheaper they become / faster, the quicker less experienced players get to purchase them. The difference between 1 - 5c and 25 - 50c is huge.


When you complain about mf, please complain about the REALITY of mf. There are plenty things wrong without you completely making up falsehoods and describing a fantasy. Stop parroting things you hear others say, while clearly having zero understanding of it yourself. For example, this feeling of it being "mandatory" is REAL (somewhat). But its far less about the stat being a problem and more about how difficulty controls drops being a problem.

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PrimordialDarkness#3913 wrote:

Sucks for you guys, "The Vision" says that Magic Find should be in the game because it was in D2. And D2 / "The Vision" are absolute (absolutely shit, that is).

Play an MF capable build or don't play. This is what GGG wants. This is the best they can do. This is the absolute best of their capacity.

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cowmoo275#3095 wrote:

Ah of course.....the usual mf party dog whistle from someone who clearly doesn't understand markets or even basic facts about what these big mf parties even do to the market.

Lets go over some really really really basic actual realities:

1) "Economy more difficult to control"......come on man. This line alone makes your entire post meaningless. The economy is NOT controlled, that is the entire point of the market and the economy. It adjusted according to what goes into it and what the MASSES have determined things are worth.

2) The number of mf-dedicated parties that ACTUALLY make a difference in the market is near-zero. Even a party like the named one in the OP has an almost negligible effect on YOUR interaction with the market. You could make the same argument about solo players that get to endgame in the very first day and start flooding the market with high end crafted items from day 1. And these solo players do far more "damage" (if you can really call it that).

3) The post completely and utterly erases all the BENEFITS that such a party bring to the market. More supply, cheaper purchases, cheaper uniques, cheaper "middle class" builds, etc. When the market is flooded with items, "devaluing" your currency as claimed, it only does so on upper end items. Everything else gets pushed so cheap that far more folks get to interact with items they normally wouldn't. Regular examples = tabula rasa, goldrim, etc. The more these items are farmed early, the cheaper they become / faster, the quicker less experienced players get to purchase them. The difference between 1 - 5c and 25 - 50c is huge.


When you complain about mf, please complain about the REALITY of mf. There are plenty things wrong without you completely making up falsehoods and describing a fantasy. Stop parroting things you hear others say, while clearly having zero understanding of it yourself. For example, this feeling of it being "mandatory" is REAL (somewhat). But its far less about the stat being a problem and more about how difficulty controls drops being a problem.

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Gkek#1581 wrote:

Your entire post is predicated on some assumption that I think party play is the only problem with MF. I don't.

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cowmoo275#3095 wrote:

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Gkek#1581 wrote:

Your entire post is predicated on some assumption that I think party play is the only problem with MF. I don't.

Think about real life: the "middle class" is determined by income vs. cost of living. In PoE, when middling items become cheaper, the "cost of living" in PoE becomes cheaper which widens the middle class and makes it easier to achieve. The leap from middle to upper tier is still just as vast as it would have been. Or better yet, the lengths to which the "middle class" can achieve is stretched way further, meaning that while the gap in cost between middle and high might be larger, the FUNCTIONAL gap is much much smaller.

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Gkek#1581 wrote:

Your comparison is not valid because PoE has no "cost of living". You don't have to play PoE. Nobody is forcing you to run certain content.


While I understand what you are saying about the "functional difference" , The difference between the PoE Upper and Lower class is not what content they can run, it is their currency earning potential.


You are building your entire argument on the idea that PoE endgame is about being able to complete a pinnacle boss or t15 maps when that is simply not the case. People play trade for the economy.

All the things you list as benefits would happen naturally without magic find. All magic find does is widen the gap and reward players for opting into builds that can complete endgame content while dedicating gear slots to MF, and ensure that by day 3 all but T0 uniques are worthless.

This problem will be exacerbated in PoE2 where thus far it is harder to target farm certain in-demand things. I realize it is EA, but EA is a great time to remove an unhealthy mechanic that overly rewards frontrunning.