Permanent Quest Rewards are a bad Game Design

Permanant decisions are bad in ARPGs almost always.

Having the vials be permanent is straight up bone-headed. Right up there with not letting us overwrite runes in armor.

Ascendency permanence is close to the above two, but honestly I could probably (begrudgingly) live with it. The two mentioned above though have to change no question.

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pattw555#0071 wrote:

Permanant decisions are bad in ARPGs almost always.

Having the vials be permanent is straight up bone-headed. Right up there with not letting us overwrite runes in armor.

Ascendency permanence is close to the above two, but honestly I could probably (begrudgingly) live with it. The two mentioned above though have to change no question.

I fully agree, and permanent rune slotting is another good example. You should either get the runes back and destroy the gear, or destroy the runes and get the gear back without slots. When the game constantly updates mechanics and builds, you can't expect a player to have the same ideas and build concepts at lvl 29 as they do a year later at level 100. It's asinine

Im not against the ability to go back and change the selection of these rewards.
I lack in reasons I can identify as to why we shouldn't be able to.
It would just be another tiny aspect of the respeccing we can already do.

I also can't imagine how someone would manage to choose the wrong vial.
Making that mistake in the first place makes even less sense then the fact we can't reselect them.

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The_Song#4903 wrote:

Im not against the ability to go back and change the selection of these rewards.
I lack in reasons I can identify as to why we shouldn't be able to.
It would just be another tiny aspect of the respeccing we can already do.

I also can't imagine how someone would manage to choose the wrong vial.
Making that mistake in the first place makes even less sense then the fact we can't reselect them.

Well how my wife chose the wrong one is she truly doesn't comprehend what effect help what class yet. She's still getting the actual battle mechanics down. Stun threshold, vs some spell are kinda something she hasn't fully understood yet, and also didn't realize a potion would be permanent as most RPGs have trained players to believe potion effects are generally temporary or for healing. She clicked as I was saying no read they're permanent and it was too late. Silly to me I know I read everything, but I've already made those types of mistakes in older games. This was her first experience with harsh perma choices in a video game and it caused her to not want to play once she realized the importance of a permanent character boost. Oh well, I haven't played since as the game left a bad taste in my mouth having to see it upset my wife who I really wanted to teach the game to, only for the game to punish her for clicking through the dialog too fast, one of the only times she's been in a hurry. Aw well that's the game the Developers intended I guess, maybe they thought people will just start over at square 1 if they mess up, maybe the nolifers will, the casuals just go to a new game because they don't want to deal with punishment in a game they expected to have fun with, most people won't sink another 20 hours into the game. they will just quit and play something more fun. POE2 maybe realized that the nolifers will spend their last indebted dollar on cosmetics, when casuals will not, thus causing them to cater to the whales who do nothing else but play POE vs appealing to the masses. Both probably make the same amount of revenue, but catering to a small group of autistic cretins is cheaper development.

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Locuus#1650 wrote:

Game design should not rely on Google.
All such choices should be reversible, either by a non-trivial game means, or buy rare-ish currency, quest, whatever.

Will eventually happen, it´s early access and they kinda had to rush some of those things to get the game going, it happened in PoE 1 with the bandit quests too, eventually they added a respec for those choices.

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MakaveliPT#7753 wrote:

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Locuus#1650 wrote:

Game design should not rely on Google.
All such choices should be reversible, either by a non-trivial game means, or buy rare-ish currency, quest, whatever.

Will eventually happen, it´s early access and they kinda had to rush some of those things to get the game going, it happened in PoE 1 with the bandit quests too, eventually they added a respec for those choices.

I hope so but by the time it's addressed most who were punished by the mechanic will have moved on to greener pastures. I won't be holding my breath looking for this to be in the update patches in the future, once I move on I rarely if ever go back to a game once they fix their mistakes, the experience was already ruined so it's great for people who start after it's fixed, but not really going to bring players back to the table who were put off already.

Of all the things they should've added from the first game they forgo this one, lol.

Let's say I want to go from blood mage to minimum life demon form infernalist. I need to change my ascendancy and get rid of life reward but can't do that and I absolutely don't want to level another witch just to do that. It's a colossal waste of time.

sry bud she just used it as an excuse, maybe you find someone else to play with, sadge

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Strickl3r#3809 wrote:

sry bud she just used it as an excuse, maybe you find someone else to play with, sadge

Do you have a learning disability that allows you to see into other people's heads? You're wrong lol git gud.

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joevw007#4335 wrote:

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Strickl3r#3809 wrote:

sry bud she just used it as an excuse, maybe you find someone else to play with, sadge

Do you have a learning disability that allows you to see into other people's heads? You're wrong lol git gud.

i was just teasing you, but you seem to have a disability to understand irony or sarcasm, sry bud ;P