grace / determination now a rip off???

all characters start with life and armour is basic defense, you will not change my mind that there should be support for every character to play with these

determ nerf nerfs both right and left side equally when they elect to not wear big defensive pieces for whatever reason
its not about right vs left

completely disagree about no reason to play bottom left, this games dumbest most-ridiculous stacker builds all come from bottom left

suppression being busted is not a reason to nerf determination, wtf
dont u think they could nerf suppression by nerfing suppression instead?

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Bosscannon wrote:

all characters start with life and armour is basic defense, you will not change my mind that there should be support for every character to play with these

There is, whether you acknowledge it or not. You were even given examples on how to in this thread.

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Bosscannon wrote:

determ nerf nerfs both right and left side equally when they elect to not wear big defensive pieces for whatever reason
its not about right vs left

How sharp. Indeed Determination and Grace are worse without flat defensive values from gear. Who would'a thunk. Any balanced build at least breaks even, while ES builds only got stronger thanks to new base types.

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Bosscannon wrote:

completely disagree about no reason to play bottom left, this games dumbest most-ridiculous stacker builds all come from bottom left

No one said that.

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Bosscannon wrote:

suppression being busted is not a reason to nerf determination, wtf

Again, nobody said that.

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ArtCrusade wrote:

How sharp. Indeed Determination and Grace are worse without flat defensive values from gear. Who would'a thunk. Any balanced build at least breaks even, while ES builds only got stronger thanks to new base types.

most builds that ACTUALLY use relevant gear are stronger due to new bases and quality change

all that was lost is 1000 flat. that surely got multiplied by %aura effect, so lets generously say 2000 flat (it was less but still)


i self-crafted several 4000+ AR chests, 1500+ helmets and 800+ boots/gloves. between these 4 slots it is easy to gather 2000 flat (esp the minor slots are pure profit because previously nobody cared. there is no functional difference between 20 AR base and 200 AR base)

finally, it is actually worth it to use just one prefix for defences (%increased), keeping the flat as a luxury all-in option.

while changes were good, i still think that AR as a stat is in dogshit place, but it is just easier to bypass that first 5-10k AR 'tax' (in endgame there is no functional difference between 0 and 5k Armour). evasion doesnt have such tax, block doesnt but Armour does. this should change

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ArtCrusade wrote:

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You should see what I randomly chaos spammed on a karui chopper and got. Was like 15 or so chaos loOOOololll

wow this post blew up overnight.

Suffice to say....OP still doesn't quite understand the power of the "new" determination and grace and completely writes it off because:

1) It doesn't perform when slapped on naked
2) It's less powerful (on paper) than it used to be

While ignoring:

1) It was already severely overpowered to begin with. See the examples of people whining that they can't slap DETERMINATION (str) on their witch's anymore!
2) It is nearly equal in power to what it used to be on the high end of armor builds thanks to new bases. Only difference is that makes it more restrictive (as it SHOULD be!!!)
3) The OTHER 50% defense aura (PoE) that literally does nothing for you....unless it helps you cap resists. In any other situation it makes zero noticeable in-game difference. But it fits the argument nicely to just ignore the adequately balanced 50% defense aura. OP even admits to using that aura...which by comparison should be deemed severely underpowered even compared to the "new" determination and grace.


So....50% aura a complete waste? Hardly. It performs nearly at the same level as it did for builds designed to use it. It performs less well for builds that "abused" a severely OP aura that's been a problem since its last last rework.

The only people complaining about the nerf and cost are those who used determination BECAUSE it was OP and worked everywhere. They refuse to see its actual purpose, and how well it still serves that purpose. They refuse to see its (still) overpowered buff of armor builds. And they refuse to rebuild anything. God forbid you need to rethink and change things!