grace / determination now a rip off???

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Mashgesture wrote:

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ARealLifeCaribbeanPirate wrote:

You literally haven't killed more than half of the pinnacle bosses in this game. Not a single time, across every single league.

How you see this on privates ?

Oh he wasn't private when I looked, he literally just changed it. That's hilarious.

Like if people are new to the game, that's great! They should absolutely still leave feedback. But that feedback should be left within the context of their own lack of experience.

And they DEFINITELY should not pretend to know more than people who are much, much, much more knowledgeable about the game than they are.

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Mashgesture wrote:

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Bosscannon wrote:

"DETERM NERF GOOD CAUSE IT HIT FREELOADER HURR DURR"

okay but what does freeloader do to cover their phys max hit now? fucking nothing? uninstall?

there are no fucking options

its as if every build not wearing armour gear shouldnt play the fucking game no more

this change is no good and whoever defends it lacks broader understanding

Calm down.

Phys max hit has plenty of sources still in the game other than determination.

I dont know anyone whos actually running into this issue so would need to see the "build that cant do anything now without determination". Seems like its nonexistent and way overblown.

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ARealLifeCaribbeanPirate wrote:

You literally haven't killed more than half of the pinnacle bosses in this game. Not a single time, across every single league.

How you see this on privates ?

calm down? i am calm, you are just ridiculous

post examples of builds or techniques that fix phys max hit without armour, lets see how many options really are there

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Bosscannon wrote:

post examples of builds or techniques that fix phys max hit without armour, lets see how many options really are there

Art already did.

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ArtCrusade wrote:

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Bosscannon wrote:

"DETERM NERF GOOD CAUSE IT HIT FREELOADER HURR DURR"

okay but what does freeloader do to cover their phys max hit now? fucking nothing? uninstall?

there are no fucking options

its as if every build not wearing armour gear shouldnt play the fucking game no more

this change is no good and whoever defends it lacks broader understanding

Any of the available options of dealing with physical damage.

- Lightning Coil / Cloak of Flames
- Eater implicit on helmet
- Dawnbreaker
- ENDURANCE CHARGES
- Blind/Evasion (super easy to fit actually, very underrated)
- Aspect of the Crab
- Chaos Golem
- Herald of Purity + Circle ring for %phys reduction (easy to get that one + some good synth implicit)

And many more.

Some ascendancies offer protection as a baseline, others make up for lack of defence in offensive power. It is up to the player to build a balanced character, or decide not to do that and just go ham on damage. Choice is yours, but don't pretend like Determination was the only solution.

The dichotomy of PoE players saying "man I love how deep character customization is in PoE" and then just blindly copying builds from YT or poe.ninja is crazy. Those same players flail helplessly whenever there's a change to the game that requires them to adapt, and you seem to be no exception to that rule. Ironic for you to claim others lack understanding when it is as cleaer as daylight what's going on here

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jsuslak313 wrote:

A slight decrease in power on something that was already incredibly OP doesn't make it "dead".

Ignore the white horse above you are totally correct OP. Determination and armour is so junk that every third rare simply ignores all armour. Not to mention about occasional blues either. Determination should either get its nerf reverted or change to a banner 10% reservation

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Bosscannon wrote:

post examples of builds or techniques that fix phys max hit without armour, lets see how many options really are there

What? Thats not how that works

The onus is on YOU when you make claims that without determination these "builds" of yours are all dead on arivall or should

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uninstall

or

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no F#$%#$ options

Supply the evidence for your claim, thats how that works.


My contribution to this discussion directly counters your "no F#$%#$% options" as .... there is an option, use the new base types... give up unique stacking that have no defensive value on them.


Art posted others as well.


What it really comes down to is dependent on the build. We cant say what specifically to take, because it MAY not work for that build. Would have to see what builds you keep referring to though. Make sure to include a POB and not some broken apart screenshot trickery.

Otherwise the assumption will just be they dont exist.

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ARealLifeCaribbeanPirate wrote:

Oh he wasn't private when I looked, he literally just changed it. That's hilarious.

Ah, yea thats a bad look.

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ARealLifeCaribbeanPirate wrote:

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Bosscannon wrote:

post examples of builds or techniques that fix phys max hit without armour, lets see how many options really are there

Art already did.

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ArtCrusade wrote:

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Bosscannon wrote:

"DETERM NERF GOOD CAUSE IT HIT FREELOADER HURR DURR"

okay but what does freeloader do to cover their phys max hit now? fucking nothing? uninstall?

there are no fucking options

its as if every build not wearing armour gear shouldnt play the fucking game no more

this change is no good and whoever defends it lacks broader understanding

Any of the available options of dealing with physical damage.

- Lightning Coil / Cloak of Flames
- Eater implicit on helmet
- Dawnbreaker
- ENDURANCE CHARGES
- Blind/Evasion (super easy to fit actually, very underrated)
- Aspect of the Crab
- Chaos Golem
- Herald of Purity + Circle ring for %phys reduction (easy to get that one + some good synth implicit)

And many more.

Some ascendancies offer protection as a baseline, others make up for lack of defence in offensive power. It is up to the player to build a balanced character, or decide not to do that and just go ham on damage. Choice is yours, but don't pretend like Determination was the only solution.

The dichotomy of PoE players saying "man I love how deep character customization is in PoE" and then just blindly copying builds from YT or poe.ninja is crazy. Those same players flail helplessly whenever there's a change to the game that requires them to adapt, and you seem to be no exception to that rule. Ironic for you to claim others lack understanding when it is as cleaer as daylight what's going on here

The character customization is not deep in poe at all. There are a few things that work and the rest is noobtrap.

What you listed is barely anything.
In fact you need a mix of what you listed plus the determination on top if you dont want to get randomly popped given how overtuned monsters can get when a few right monster mods mix.

I understand your point about people going ham in one direction but taking away simple options and directing them to use what remains is not a good solution.

For example lets say you want a character on top right side of passive tree with two hander weapon and using an offensive chest?

The best non armour options go out the window and the rest are weak options that will reserve the remainder of your gear. You will start to lack in other defensive/offensive areas. Nerf to determination aura becomes a roundabout nerf to your offense/qol/bullshit avoidance in this case. You may claim that this is the intended result but thats also bullshit as majority builds in this game that have no access to some sort of offensive cheese to boost up their damage to obscene degree allowing them to invest all slots in defenses run into constant DPS walls as is. So in the end you just throw out whatever idea you had and play a character that runs a shield and stacks endurance charges instead and pretend there is no problem. "Someone else will solve it". While no one really does. Whole archetypes go on the back burner until ggg makes the magnanimous choice to look into it after another 5 years of barely anyone touching what was torn down.

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ArtCrusade wrote:

=o

Guide on how to get/make that axe of yours question mark


I need an upgrade already

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Mashgesture wrote:

give up unique stacking that have no defensive value on them. "use new bases"

just use the new bases, bro, the 2x stat requirements is not a nerf, bro
put that 300 str armour on your witch, bro

sigh, you are just tiresome

i am sitting here arguing with multiple dudes who picked str classes that like to wear str armour pieces by default for this league and are feeling the determination nerf effects the least

its not surprising you guys claim that everthing is fine, but its also not convincing

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Bosscannon wrote:

i am sitting here arguing with multiple dudes who picked str classes that like to wear str armour pieces by default for this league and are feeling the determination nerf effects the least

its not surprising you guys claim that everthing is fine, but its also not convincing

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