grace / determination now a rip off???

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Mashgesture wrote:
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Cchris07 wrote:


yeah its definitely thrown a wrench into building, im glad melee has some perks now, do you think its that unethical to lower it to 35% though? so the weaker builds can at least fit a dps aura in to go with ? i feel like picking auras has gotten so tight lately


Nah I think the change is probably for the better.

Players that played these archetypes have to GIVE UP some of these crazy offensive scaling uniques so they can get the new base types to fit in their defense.

Its silly if you are going to have all these multipliers on your gear for offense and then just slap on determ/grace and be like "welp that was easy".


It seems like that makes determ/grace almost useless but... Idk they were silly auras to begin with that you could fit too much power throughout your build by just slapping them on. I think they could have their use... but it should be like... situational maybe.

Like say you rolled a map that has crazy modifiers on it, and you still want to run it for whatever reason (quant is high, need the bonus, other bonuses...) drop your offensive aura at least for THAT map and throw on determ or grace.


Their nerf though has been a pattern, GGG has been pretty relentless against these two auras across several leagues now:

1: Reduced magnitude of mana reservation efficiency nodes on the tree
2: Removal of grace/determination specific reservation efficiency on armor/eva mastery nodes
3: Halved their respective value

Id suggest honestly trying to make a build with next to 0 reliance on them going forward.


yeah your probably right, time for the new era of petrified blood/recoup/ and a butt load of endurance charges with a ton of life on hit till you eventually get 1 shot meta coming through!
I mean yea if you think you need that many defenses sure. You also lost defiance banner as well.


The thing about all of it though is really you could just lose a bit of offense (most likely intended) to gain the defense back you get from the new base types.
Mash the clean
i am confused

just checked and my Determination lvl21 gives me 50% more armour and ~1000 flat.

the only change was 2200 -> 1000 flat. for a build with some armour it is very insignificant change given that even hybrid AR/xx body armours easily give that back

this change hurts - and i think it is precisely by design - the freeloaders:

aura stackers, casters, necros etc. people with 0 AR pieces but rocking 15000+ AR just from aura, mageblooded flask and %aura effect


for anyone even remotely geared in AR pieces it is - in general - net zero change. the new bases are really good, esp the boots/gloves, these were previously so low that it made no sense to roll %AR on them.

the best part is - Seismic Cry with some warcry buff effect gives ~30-40% more Armour so melee can just ditch this aura alltogether. for a 'small' price of warcry piano - but hey, the option is there
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sidtherat wrote:
this change hurts - and i think it is precisely by design - the freeloaders


This.

The entire point of the change was clearly because GGG noticed that 90% of builds were running Determination, even with zero armor gear equipped to their character.
If Grace and Determination were OP I think people would have been using them more from the start. Esp Grace given it doesn't have the damage vs DR thing armor has.

It was more that we got forced into using them to not die.

I never ran defense aura before the Armor/Evasion rework. They just gave us block back but took away conversion. They added another tier of armor but it seems they neglected Uniques.

I'd wager this all started due to Ultimatum. My most defensive character was that league.
"Never trust floating women." -Officer Kirac
"DETERM NERF GOOD CAUSE IT HIT FREELOADER HURR DURR"

okay but what does freeloader do to cover their phys max hit now? fucking nothing? uninstall?

there are no fucking options

its as if every build not wearing armour gear shouldnt play the fucking game no more

this change is no good and whoever defends it lacks broader understanding
POE2 should be the ruthless vision experience and POE1 should be the zoom power fantasy sandbox to capture both audiences.
I petition to return all the fun stuff that was removed or nerfed over the years back into POE1.
Last edited by Bosscannon#3325 on Aug 1, 2024, 5:10:03 AM
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Bosscannon wrote:
this change is no good and whoever defends it lacks broader understanding


You're trolling, right?

You literally haven't killed more than half of the pinnacle bosses in this game. Not a single time, across every single league.

"Lacking broader understanding" isn't a card I'd play if I were you.
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Bosscannon wrote:
"DETERM NERF GOOD CAUSE IT HIT FREELOADER HURR DURR"

okay but what does freeloader do to cover their phys max hit now? fucking nothing? uninstall?

there are no fucking options

its as if every build not wearing armour gear shouldnt play the fucking game no more

this change is no good and whoever defends it lacks broader understanding


Calm down.

Phys max hit has plenty of sources still in the game other than determination.

I dont know anyone whos actually running into this issue so would need to see the "build that cant do anything now without determination". Seems like its nonexistent and way overblown.


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ARealLifeCaribbeanPirate wrote:

You literally haven't killed more than half of the pinnacle bosses in this game. Not a single time, across every single league.

How you see this on privates ?
Mash the clean
Last edited by Mashgesture#2912 on Aug 1, 2024, 5:44:41 AM
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ARealLifeCaribbeanPirate wrote:
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Bosscannon wrote:
this change is no good and whoever defends it lacks broader understanding


You're trolling, right?

You literally haven't killed more than half of the pinnacle bosses in this game. Not a single time, across every single league.

"Lacking broader understanding" isn't a card I'd play if I were you.


at least i played all sides of the passive tree to understand that there are builds that cant wear fucking armour pieces but want armour still and they dont have many options to get it and further diminishing those options will result is even less build variety

and i dont need to kill no pinnacle bosses in this game to understand this dynamic
POE2 should be the ruthless vision experience and POE1 should be the zoom power fantasy sandbox to capture both audiences.
I petition to return all the fun stuff that was removed or nerfed over the years back into POE1.
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Bosscannon wrote:
"DETERM NERF GOOD CAUSE IT HIT FREELOADER HURR DURR"

okay but what does freeloader do to cover their phys max hit now? fucking nothing? uninstall?

there are no fucking options

its as if every build not wearing armour gear shouldnt play the fucking game no more

this change is no good and whoever defends it lacks broader understanding


Any of the available options of dealing with physical damage.

- Lightning Coil / Cloak of Flames (altter even working for physical dots: profit!)
- Eater implicit on helmet
- Dawnbreaker
- ENDURANCE CHARGES
- Blind/Evasion (super easy to fit actually, and very underrated)
- Aspect of the Crab (great in combination with blind/eva)
- Chaos Golem
- Herald of Purity + Circle ring for %phys reduction (easy to get that one + some good synth implicit)

And many more.

Some ascendancies offer protection as a baseline, others make up for lack of defence in offensive power. It is up to the player to build a balanced character, or decide not to do that and just go ham on damage. Choice is yours, but don't pretend like Determination was the only solution.

The dichotomy of PoE players saying "man I love how deep character customization is in PoE" and then just blindly copying builds from YT or poe.ninja is crazy. Those same players flail helplessly whenever there's a change to the game that requires them to adapt, and you seem to be no exception to that rule. Ironic for you to claim others lack understanding when it is as cleaer as daylight what's going on here
The opposite of knowledge is not illiteracy, but the illusion of knowledge.
Last edited by ArtCrusade#4438 on Aug 1, 2024, 6:03:40 AM

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