GGG Doesnt respect their players time
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TO GET ONE THING CLEAR!!!
THE GAME DOESNT HAVE TO BALANCE AROUND STD.... WE CAN HAVE NICE THING IN STD WITHOUT SEASONAL LEAGUE IS BEING TOUCHED.... ALL THAT WE STD ENJOYER WANT IS TO NOT TAKE AWAY OUR STUFF.... GOD!!! YOU GUYS ACT LIKE WE WANT GGG TO COMPLETLY CHANGE THEIR CODING WHATS NOT THE CASE. STD HAS AND ALWAYS WILL HAVE A COMPLETLY DIFFERENT ECONOMY THAN SEASONAL... AND THAT IS OK!!!!!! DUDES.... i really love you guys but stop acting like somebody said something that wasnt even said / the point of this post. TRBN Last edited by Nilox1308#1020 on Jan 26, 2024, 7:54:16 PM
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^I don't actually think much of that is true though....
There are certain changes that GGG HAS to make game-wide, for reasons possibly only known to them. It's not a CHOICE, its a MUST. Onslaught removal was a big one. The alt gems is another. Removal of the original mana reservation clusters was another, ex/div, etc. etc. It is perfectly reasonable that you or I don't fully understand what changes are NECESSARY for GGG to achieve their desired effect. One thing I do know about code is that....lots of new systems are built on top of old systems. They simply cannot coexist because the base code has already been changed, or they would conflict in some way in processing. It doesn't make sense for them to do double the work and create TWO systems just to appease standard in some cases. But what is unreasonable is ignoring the proof that we have been fed for almost a decade.We do know beyond a shadow of a doubt that the money maker is temporary leagues, the focus is temporary leagues, the balance is temporary leagues. Every decision GGG makes is first and foremost for the betterment of the league, REGARDLESS of how that may effect standard. And from a programming or logistical or financial standpoint, those decisions MAY result in removal of "temporary" items in favor of something new. What you want is idealistic, but not realistic. That's why people are commenting the way they are. And plus, no matter what the ORIGINAL intent was behind standard....things evolve. GGG could have never predicted how much money comes in at league starts. They could never have predicted how FEW people would want to mess around in standard post-league. THEY have the data, which has driven their entire design philosophy. And the data they have clearly shows that standard is NOT the place they should financially worry about. ***I'll also add that it was YOU that started with the aggressive tone. Re-read the title of the whole thread. You are blaming GGG for something that really isn't at all their fault, and they have already provided YEARS of evidence that standard is not treated like leagues. It was YOU who decided to spend time in standard, against the existing evidence that your time MIGHT be wasted. GGG focused on the 99%, rather than the 1% which just makes sense from a financial, design, and development standpoint. Last edited by jsuslak313#7615 on Jan 26, 2024, 8:51:14 PM
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" "If you don't know the reasons - and thus whether the reasons even exist - then you don't know 'it's a MUST'. It's okay to just not take a position on things when you don't know the details. We should always distinguish between the two concepts "company decided X wasn't worth the work" and "X was necessary". Even when the former is entirely understandable, that's not the same as it not being a choice. |
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" i actually agreed to his point that std players are minority yet he needed to condescend. people like him are a reminder of why i should just get off this forum. there was no reason to antagonize and yet that is what he did. i even said he was not wrong to think the way he did. anyway i m gonaa just get back to gaming. its better for my mental health. i m already unhinged as it is. it always goes back to "poe is the way it is, because GGG wanted it that way". we can bitch and complain, but thats how it is. [Removed by Support]
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" Totally 100% disagree. GGG showed these changes were a MUST because they did them that way. That alone is all we need as proof. We don't have to understand it, we don't even need to know whether there was an actual "choice" or not.....GGG made it necessary by implementing it that way. That is their right as the developer. It's not for us to distinguish: its for us to interpret based on what happened. And what happened is: some changes are made without items being removed, and some changes are made WITH items being removed. When items are removed, it is because GGG determined, for whatever reason, they HAD to be removed. Otherwise....why would they have done so? When we have broken legacy gear already. |
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"So your position is that choice doesn't exist, because anything people do shows they had to do that thing? I mean in metaphysical/philosophical terms that's entirely reasonable - I'm in the "free will is an illusion but it's so perfect it doesn't matter" camp myself. But surely that's not what we're talking about here? Take a different example. The wording on a skill gem description, perhaps, or the text colour of the Unique item class. Are you suggesting that there are no other possible ways to write those gem descriptions? No different colour they could have chosen for unique item names? Because the fact that it's been implemented that way is "proof" that it had to be that way? "I'm not questioning their rights. And you're telling me you don't understand it, so please know that I'm already on board with "we don't have to understand it". My point is, if you don't understand it, and especially if you know you don't understand it, you don't have to make "it had to be this way" claims about it one way or another. You can literally just not. It's okay. "You're conflating different concepts. I'm not saying they didn't have a reason. Everyone has reasons for everything they do, sure. But having a reason is not the same as not having a choice. You have a reason to make this post, but you could, if you had wanted to, spent that time baking a cake, or going for a walk, or any number of other things. You could have written this post differently; you could have just typed the word "fish" 17 times and hit Submit. Having a reason to do what you end up doing does mean you couldn't have done things differently. |
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Developing new content and balance only around temp leagues does not have to mean you lazily wipe assets in standard because you couldn't care less. Latter is the issue here, not the former. Corrupting or saving divs for expensive 21/20 alt gem could have taken months depending on player skill and time spent in game. Not everyone completes minmaxed build day 3 into the league.
There were options to introduce new system without legacy wipe: - They could have left alt qualities only on non-transfigured gems, possibly adding new effects where quality was changed, and make them unobtainable. Last time I checked, my former alt gems were still filtered as "alternate" on trade website, so it was totally possible technically. - Or they could have converted alt gems to random transfigured versions based on their own logic now available from lab. We can convert maps (although in a shitty way, T16 type crammed fix when?:) ), why not run DB convert on gems? - Or they could have given at least 1 div per wiped alt gem, as long as there was stash space for it. It was their decision not to bother with standard players at all, which is not how professionals should operate. And not the first time too, div/ex swap was same attitude, so it is not a coincidence, but a deliberate policy. |
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" What did you smoke? I want it. Onslaught didn't get removed. Why am I still here
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" Ugh, what's with the language? He's clearly talking about Onslaught Support which - in fact - was changed to Momentum Support. The opposite of knowledge is not illiteracy, but the illusion of knowledge.
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It's funny all the same! Every time someone has the misfortune of coming to express the fact that they are disgusted by the nerves repeatedly (And I am the first one upset every time), there are always lots of players who come to take down the person because Nerves don't bother them.
I would like to point out to these brave Nerfs Fans that we are on the "Feedback and Suggestion" section of the forum. and it turns out that the feedback is that these repeated nerves and for this league, are abusive with regard to certain players of which I am a part and it seems to me that everyone has the right to like or not like certain things . The fact that we removed the alternative gems (there were some for abilities and support) and replaced by a new version but ONLY for abilities is already partly something that we cannot compensate for when it comes to the ability gems. For support gems, there is no longer any alternative. In addition, we remove the recipe to obtain quality 20 gems for skills, which forces people to play mazes to accelerate the increase in the quality of these gems. Not everyone wants to do labitynhe in a loop; There is already enough content that we have to do to add more. (what interest?) And at the same time we simply remove the enchantments. (what interest?) It seems to me that yes, we have the right not to be happy with these changes. And I also play in standard, and rack my brains to rework all my builds for each new league and super painful I always take a lot of time to develop them with average success I admit but it's already not too much wrong. The people who come to fill their nerves have never said that we should ban new features that allow league players to explore new horizons with new content, or new mechanics. They just ask that we not systematically destroy the gameplays that they have managed to "master" a little and that they can continue to enjoy them without having to redo everything. Furthermore, all those who come to tell us to shut up and who love difficulty, new challenges so much. Why don't they automatically play HC or Ruthless? and also, if they were to stupidly copy the latest powerful build in fashion while complaining that the game is "too easy", they would certainly agree with the fact that the nerfs are abusive! |
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