GGG Doesnt respect their players time

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jsuslak313 wrote:

I do get the frustration. It's why I delete my standard characters and why I've tried to force myself to not get attached to my AWESOME minmax'd builds. I'm sad they are gone, but I move on quick cuz I don't take any game too seriously.

That being said, I agree with the critics in this thread: there is an enormous difference between "useless" and "5-10% weaker"...That precision example can be fixed by simply lowering the gem level and you lose almost nothing. The ward loop thing....yes, that was probably gutted because ward loop relies on extremely precise numbers and balance. But the rest of your min/maxed builds? definitely just a 5-10% dps loss or a quick easy fix that has you foaming at the mouth.

Meanwhile...many of my standard builds got ACTUAL gutted with completely changed mechanics rather than tiny debuffs. I'm waving to old gladiators, old chieftains, old builds that quite literally relied on things that don't exist anymore and have no replacement. When I would be required to 1) redo my entire tree and 2) farm new gear to make an old character function in a similar way, THAT means that my original character was made "useless". 10/20/30% power loss....not even close.

99.9% of alt gems were used for 1-2% extra power at the high end. There were only a VERY select few that actually created new functions which CAN'T be replaced in a matter of minutes.


**Also...well done on a VERY selective choice in definition of the term "useless". Webster defines it as: "having or being of no use", which.....isn't the case here lol except for your ward loop boi

Boys... i got the idea.... legacy skill trees!!! :D
just leave all charachters as they are when they migrate to STD.
Problem solved ^^
Well.. if it would be so easy right? xD

Is my wording incorrect when the common definiton that google gives is what i used the word for?

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Nilox1308 wrote:

bro... dont jinx it XD

i know STD isnt GGGs focus but exactly for that reason they could let us have our nice things we work so hard for.
I mean... Skill tree changes weren't so bad. Most of the time some small tweaks were enough to get the build going again and no one really has to "grind" to get the skill points in the first place.
Removing modifier on stuff player crafted or Removing valuable items that enable builds in the other hand can't be or shouln't be the alternative. :/

the sad fact is POE started off with STD, all the new leagues were meant to be BETA test league mechanics to implement into core/standard.

ggg marketed their game to appeal to STD. the entire premise of chris's "make a game to be played forever" hinged on STD. players are not MEANT to attain mirror worthy gear. they are supposed to grind out and slowly achieve the best gear in the game over a long period of time. STD is wear players can take their time and enjoy power fantasy with their godlike gear.

of the late GGG simply isnt respecting standard. its not "whoops, we forgot about standard", its more like "who cares about standard, temp leagues is where all the money is at".

honestly how difficult would it be to keep alternate quality jewels in the game as a legacy variant?

with alt quality jewels being taken out of the game entirely, the only people who suffer are the ones on STD. temp league players DGAF.

in fact, i got a few free divines from temp leagues where some players just handed em out like candy.

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exsea wrote:

the sad fact is POE started off with STD

Because every game starts off with the base. In case of PoE, the first temp leagues were already in beta. The game launched with temp leagues being the main feature. So you really can't make the argument that the game was supposed to be about standard.

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exsea wrote:

the entire premise of chris's "make a game to be played forever" hinged on STD

It doesn't and never did. The game is still played today entirely because of temp leagues. If it was about standard, people would play for 1-2 months, get bored and then quit. Temp leagues are why people keep coming back periodically and thus play the game forever.

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exsea wrote:

of the late GGG simply isnt respecting standard. its not "whoops, we forgot about standard", its more like "who cares about standard, temp leagues is where all the money is at".

More like "temp league is where all the players are at"

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Miathan51 wrote:

Because every game starts off with the base. In case of PoE, the first temp leagues were already in beta. The game launched with temp leagues being the main feature. So you really can't make the argument that the game was supposed to be about standard.

POE is modelled after diablo 2. in the arpg market back then, there are no such things as "temp leagues". at most we had ladder resets. temp leagues was something new that was introduced for a few reasons

for starters it was meant as a beta for new league content as mentioned. a second one was to cater to people who prefered temp league content.

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Miathan51 wrote:

It doesn't and never did. The game is still played today entirely because of temp leagues. If it was about standard, people would play for 1-2 months, get bored and then quit. Temp leagues are why people keep coming back periodically and thus play the game forever.

thats like your opinion dude. lol. sorry, you are NOT WRONG to think that way. i acknowledge that your opinion reflects those of "temp league enjoyers". it does not reflect those of STD league enjoyers AT ALL. you dont enjoy STD league thats fine but to dismiss the entire reason why STD players keep playing standard is truly something that i'm really tired of seeing. you only know how to voice the opinions that reflect yourself and have blinded yourself from ever imagining people enjoying a game a different way.

i really cant speak for you, but me and my friends we come from open beta. to many of us we STRUGGLED to get even to 90. things were very different from now. 6 linking was a huge luxury. it took me a damn long time before i managed to 6L my weapon on STD.

most of my friends AVOIDED temp leagues. simply for the reason that we did not see a reason to play a new character all over again. i think i can speak for "some" of the oldblood players. we HATE releveling new characters, we hate rebuilding our wealth. we love permanency.

i would say its reasonable to assume that "back then" most of the player base would be on standard.

if the argument is "heh we have no way to know about the numbers", then just take a look at diablo 2 resurrected sales, 5 million. all they have are seasons that are practically resets. no new mechanics. it keeps the game fresh but whatever gear they gain during the season will enrich their standard character. this can be a way to gauge interest in permanent leagues.

if what you say is true, no one would be playing standard right now. people are still playing standard even while the current league is still ongoing. its been that way for years.

i have already long accepted that "leagues is where it's at", but with much begrudging. if not mistaken chris mentioned that standard is somewhere at 10-15% of the playerbase somewhere in 2019.

the simple fact is POE was made originally for STD but evolved in a way that temp leagues became more attractive to "newbloods".

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exsea wrote:

thats like your opinion dude. lol. sorry, you are NOT WRONG to think that way. i acknowledge that your opinion reflects those of "temp league enjoyers". it does not reflect those of STD league enjoyers AT ALL. you dont enjoy STD league thats fine but to dismiss the entire reason why STD players keep playing standard is truly something that i'm really tired of seeing. you only know how to voice the opinions that reflect yourself and have blinded yourself from ever imagining people enjoying a game a different way.

You're missing the point completely. It's not about who enjoys what. GGG doesn't care about what you or I enjoy as an individual. What they care about is having enough players in their game to sustain development, which there would not be if standard was the main mode. Temp leagues are the reason Path of Exile still exists.

So get off your high horse. It's fine that you enjoy playing standard permanently, but players like you are not why PoE is succesful. There simply aren't enough of you.

I mean there are plenty of games that reward you for not playing the game, but Path of Exile is not one of them? A little confused at the criticism here.

At the end of the day you have to get over the fact that the game isn't developed with Standard in mind. I also wished there was more manpower put into Ruthless, but I understand that it's a mode with a marginal playerbase and therefore lower my expectations accordingly.

That is to say I understand the frustrations, but disagree with the framing; you say "GGG doesn't respect their players' time" when really you want to say that you feel like they don't respect your time spent playing Standard, on legacy characters.

In truth, if you made a new character today you'd have the same experience anyone else has. The only thing you could complain about is losing "progression" from characters already created.

Honestly, having new flavors to play with instead of always same ol' same ol' is the far better alternative. I'd be bored out of my mind if I still played the same character I made 5 years ago. Just... get over it

Join the sane person club and play the game every 3-4 months for 1-2 weeks. Don't get attached to most things, don't bother with min maxing, just see how fast you can get all them voidstoens or whatever... Problem solved...

Cool, I love when Forum Moderation removes someone else's post and because I am responding to them, despite the post being super tame, I get mine removed as well without even receiving a message for it. :)

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Strickl3r wrote:

Join the sane person club and play the game every 3-4 months for 1-2 weeks. Don't get attached to most things, don't bother with min maxing, just see how fast you can get all them voidstoens or whatever... Problem solved...

Good suggestion. Just have a healthy relationship with the game and don't put it above other things. It's all virtual after all

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Miathan51 wrote:

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exsea wrote:

thats like your opinion dude. lol. sorry, you are NOT WRONG to think that way. i acknowledge that your opinion reflects those of "temp league enjoyers". it does not reflect those of STD league enjoyers AT ALL. you dont enjoy STD league thats fine but to dismiss the entire reason why STD players keep playing standard is truly something that i'm really tired of seeing. you only know how to voice the opinions that reflect yourself and have blinded yourself from ever imagining people enjoying a game a different way.

You're missing the point completely. It's not about who enjoys what. GGG doesn't care about what you or I enjoy as an individual. What they care about is having enough players in their game to sustain development, which there would not be if standard was the main mode. Temp leagues are the reason Path of Exile still exists.

So get off your high horse. It's fine that you enjoy playing standard permanently, but players like you are not why PoE is succesful. There simply aren't enough of you.

get off your high horse?! bruh wtf??
whats your problem? cant argue constuctive about something?

it doesnt even matter if ther are "enough" STD enjoyer... it takes not much to let us have some legacy gear so your argument is pointless.
in fact, i think it would be easyer for GGG to keep those items in the game because they dont have to manually remove certian items.