They need to just get rid of breach, it's worse than it ever was.

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jsuslak313 wrote:

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PoitelMarto wrote:

I get consistently 25-30 splinters per breach, x3 breaches in most maps, and monster density is similar to previous leagues.

This is an absurd exaggeration...I was running fully specced breaches, with gilded AND winged scarabs, increased Chayula chance, rare corrupted high iiq good layout maps, using my LA mirror-tier build with unheard of clearing speed...for close to two weeks and I never even got enough splinters to even create a single Chayula breachstone. HUNDREDS of breaches...There is no way you get "consistently" 25-30 splinters per breach in its current iteration. In some cases, monster density can be high, but in the vast majority there is SO MUCH empty time in breaches now. I can sit there for a solid few seconds and not a single monster will spawn, that's crazy. You sometimes get LUCKY with a breachlord or special hand but even then, as others pointed out, they drop 2-3 splinters (compared to 8+ from legion bosses...).

I kept track: in total from at least a week, possibly 2 weeks farming the most breached up breaches I could make I had: 0 chayula stones (53 splinters), 1 uul-netol stone (27 splinters left), 3 esh stones, 5 xoph stones, 2 tul stones. Many of the stones were raw drops instead of converting 100 splinters. It is TERRIBLE now.

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PoitelMarto wrote:

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jsuslak313 wrote:

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PoitelMarto wrote:

I get consistently 25-30 splinters per breach, x3 breaches in most maps, and monster density is similar to previous leagues.

This is an absurd exaggeration...I was running fully specced breaches, with gilded AND winged scarabs, increased Chayula chance, rare corrupted high iiq good layout maps, using my LA mirror-tier build with unheard of clearing speed...for close to two weeks and I never even got enough splinters to even create a single Chayula breachstone. HUNDREDS of breaches...There is no way you get "consistently" 25-30 splinters per breach in its current iteration. In some cases, monster density can be high, but in the vast majority there is SO MUCH empty time in breaches now. I can sit there for a solid few seconds and not a single monster will spawn, that's crazy. You sometimes get LUCKY with a breachlord or special hand but even then, as others pointed out, they drop 2-3 splinters (compared to 8+ from legion bosses...).

I kept track: in total from at least a week, possibly 2 weeks farming the most breached up breaches I could make I had: 0 chayula stones (53 splinters), 1 uul-netol stone (27 splinters left), 3 esh stones, 5 xoph stones, 2 tul stones. Many of the stones were raw drops instead of converting 100 splinters. It is TERRIBLE now.

You're apparently not running sextants, which is a huge mistake, as the sextant with "breaches belong to X" also adds 3 clasped hands, that are the primary source of splinters.
I ran 56 (2x full eater run) maps with all abyss/breach nodes, 20% delirium (skittering orb) and both breach sextants (+1 breach, breaches belong to Chayula + 3 clasped hands), 30% increased mods + 15% iiq from atlas tree. I farmed ~40 Chayula breachstones, not counting other stones that dropped raw from Xeshul-whatever, plus what I got from the extra monsters, mainly tons of scarabs from delirium. Not to mention the first 85% of my level 100 (solo-farmed the last 15% in said Chayula breachstones).

Again, you have to click clasped hands, as they are the primary source of splinters, and run gilded+ scarabs (as you apparently did) which duplicate splinters from clasped hands. 25-30 may be a bit overoptimistic, as I regularly farm less than 25 due to layouts, but my average (not counting raw breachstone drops) is above 25 in well-rolled maps.

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PoitelMarto wrote:

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jsuslak313 wrote:

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PoitelMarto wrote:

I get consistently 25-30 splinters per breach, x3 breaches in most maps, and monster density is similar to previous leagues.

This is an absurd exaggeration...I was running fully specced breaches, with gilded AND winged scarabs, increased Chayula chance, rare corrupted high iiq good layout maps, using my LA mirror-tier build with unheard of clearing speed...for close to two weeks and I never even got enough splinters to even create a single Chayula breachstone. HUNDREDS of breaches...There is no way you get "consistently" 25-30 splinters per breach in its current iteration. In some cases, monster density can be high, but in the vast majority there is SO MUCH empty time in breaches now. I can sit there for a solid few seconds and not a single monster will spawn, that's crazy. You sometimes get LUCKY with a breachlord or special hand but even then, as others pointed out, they drop 2-3 splinters (compared to 8+ from legion bosses...).

I kept track: in total from at least a week, possibly 2 weeks farming the most breached up breaches I could make I had: 0 chayula stones (53 splinters), 1 uul-netol stone (27 splinters left), 3 esh stones, 5 xoph stones, 2 tul stones. Many of the stones were raw drops instead of converting 100 splinters. It is TERRIBLE now.

You're apparently not running sextants, which is a huge mistake, as the sextant with "breaches belong to X" also adds 3 clasped hands, that are the primary source of splinters.
I ran 56 (2x full eater run) maps with all abyss/breach nodes, 20% delirium (skittering orb) and both breach sextants (+1 breach, breaches belong to Chayula + 3 clasped hands), 30% increased mods + 15% iiq from atlas tree. I farmed ~40 Chayula breachstones, not counting other stones that dropped raw from Xeshul-whatever, plus what I got from the extra monsters, mainly tons of scarabs from delirium. Not to mention the first 85% of my level 100 (solo-farmed the last 15% in said Chayula breachstones).

Again, you have to click clasped hands, as they are the primary source of splinters, and run gilded+ scarabs (as you apparently did) which duplicate splinters from clasped hands. 25-30 may be a bit overoptimistic, as I regularly farm less than 25 due to layouts, but my average (not counting raw breachstone drops) is above 25 in well-rolled maps.

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PoitelMarto wrote:

It has been several leagues that you can hardly farm league content without compasses for effective profit. Having farmed breaches both last league and this one, using breachs sextants has always been the way to go. As this league Breach tends to be less popular, they are extremely cheap this season.

It is a fact that you'd get more splinters per map last league. The first reason was that bosses dropped roughly twice as much, and were duplicated 100% of the time; but the rework of clasped hands partially compensate this. The second and decisive reason is Kirac's Breach map "craft" has been replaced, so we lose 2 breaches per map. Going from 5 to 3 (estimated average) obviously hurts quantity of splinters.

However. Keep in mind that now, a regular Breachstone is worth an enriched/pure breachstone of past leagues in terms of area level and experience. As a consequence, they sell for much more than in 3.20, especially Chayula's. This is why profit is similar to last league if you sell breachstones. You start losing money if you run them outside of rota services.


Here is me running a 20% deli high iiq map, dropping 98 splinters in 3 breaches (Sorry for the video quality).
Breaches start at 1:20, 3:20 and 10:35, ending at 11:50.
Invest for breaches alone is ~15c, raw profit 45-50c on average (this recording was on the lucky side, with several +iiq altars) and benefits of having heavy mob density for other mechanics such as delirium orbs/mirror.