Shroud of the lightless: where's the 5 link!? Not Cool GGG Many builds deleted (historic bow buff)

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Draegnarrr wrote:

No you say you need more than 4 links but won't say what they are, practically any build works in a 6l helmet some of them are superior in a helmet even for example.

It didn't hurt 1h builds its a buff to a vast majority of them too.

Well im sorry if my experience in that area is lacking, I primarily play minion, spell and totem builds, only just recently have i tried getting into melee territory.

And what do you mean what they are?

I have:
Raise Spectre+FeedingFrenzy+MinionDamage+Empower(if i dont use helmet 4l which makes spectres my secondary dps)
Viper Strike+AncestralCall+MeleePhysical+SplashSupport this was going to go in my helmet

and spectres in the 5l on chest or vice versa depending on whichever worked best in early maps.(obviously there is no 5link) and this is the problem.

im gonna have like 4k hp if i don't use the chestplate and no mana scaling really kicks me in the teeth on the MoM/EB defensive layer.

Please feel free to suggest something that'l make it work, but i have to actually be able to play deep enough into maps to make the money to get that "solution"

I don't see it being an enjoyable experience on a 4l, do you? if i switch to a rare chest-plate then the whole point of the build is gone.. But say i bite can anyone show me a chestplate that would give me even close to the relevant mana and life values versus 17 jewels with 30-40 mana/life even at the previous 1% scaling?

Are these two separate builds? I'll treat them as if but just to get my point across

Minion damage is an elder support mod and you can roll it with an essence of horror for 30% more elemental damage, these can be cheap too depending on how many players are playing RF in a league but that gives you 6l spectres with room for even more if you want to invest.

like just to throw this out there, there is plenty of room at the ceiling and once you have the established modifiers in you can always socket the actual elemental penetration gem if that is the stat you are missing (though it'd be a weird AF build to abyss stack on)

Viper strike with both melee splash and AC is using dead links anyway you never need to use both, you can get 2 strikes as an implicit on gloves or take/anoint melee splash off the passive tree. If you are playing SC trade its very likely you can get a 5l 1h weapon with very credible stats too but it depends what you are going for in that regard.

If your idea with viper strike was to use the 25% damage per frenzy from crucible which is the only idea that makes sense with context to what we are talking about you would socket it in a helmet again with 30% more elemental damage and either supported by immolate if elder, or Hypothermia or Innervate if shaper with the bonus of you can fairly reliably get +crit to socketed gems too.

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Draegnarrr wrote:

Are these two separate builds? I'll treat them as if but just to get my point across

Minion damage is an elder support mod and you can roll it with an essence of horror for 30% more elemental damage, these can be cheap too depending on how many players are playing RF in a league but that gives you 6l spectres with room for even more if you want to invest.

like just to throw this out there, there is plenty of room at the ceiling and once you have the established modifiers in you can always socket the actual elemental penetration gem if that is the stat you are missing (though it'd be a weird AF build to abyss stack on)

Viper strike with both melee splash and AC is using dead links anyway you never need to use both, you can get 2 strikes as an implicit on gloves or take/anoint melee splash off the passive tree. If you are playing SC trade its very likely you can get a 5l 1h weapon with very credible stats too but it depends what you are going for in that regard.

If your idea with viper strike was to use the 25% damage per frenzy from crucible which is the only idea that makes sense with context to what we are talking about you would socket it in a helmet again with 30% more elemental damage and either supported by immolate if elder, or Hypothermia or Innervate if shaper with the bonus of you can fairly reliably get +crit to socketed gems too.

Should've linked these outright, my bad.

Its a single build:


So i can't use a bone helmet, the glove could work but i lose 1000 accuracy rating on gloves and 2 abyssal sockets

and then i lose my reservation efficiency on boots if i try to go that route.


The helmet and claws were really the only non negotiable elements, i could consider gloves as an option though i kinda wanted that accuracy this is about the build being able to work at all not be "the happiest it can be" I'll go ahead and do a deep dive on glove mods to make sure what's possible there.

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Here's the tree if you're curious:
PoEPlanner Link

Edit: idk about gloves, I really appreciate the genuine effort trying to help though, Thank you.

You don't get that accuracy though your minions do and they don't need 1000, especially if you are using precision.

I gotta say this is a good example of a top tier fruit build but it also doesn't need elemental penetration which feels pretty weird as its the primary stat for stacking the jewels. It doesn't really make sense to me but I'm not going to tell someone their build is bad when its really where the fun of the game is - if it works well i'd be very interested.

Gloves is what i'd go for, if you are lucky you could find some fractured gloves with either the 30% more damage over time or 16% more attack speed mods locked then just slam the other one, ichor to +strikes and off you go.

Also just as i've looked at the PoE planner you haven't predicated this build on minion damage = your damage stacking did you? You will only get the best mod so spiritual aid for example does nothing for you can move that passive elsewhere and realistically it will be a better build using a minion shield or possibly even necro aegis depending on how you wanted to angle it.

2x Claws does get you 2x Minion crucible trees but I've not seen any of those yet that made me go hmmmmm... but i'm also very shield biased to be fair.

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Draegnarrr wrote:

You don't get that accuracy though your minions do and they don't need 1000, especially if you are using precision.

I gotta say this is a good example of a top tier fruit build but it also doesn't need elemental penetration which feels pretty weird as its the primary stat for stacking the jewels. It doesn't really make sense to me but I'm not going to tell someone their build is bad when its really where the fun of the game is - if it works well i'd be very interested.

Gloves is what i'd go for, if you are lucky you could find some fractured gloves with either the 30% more damage over time or 16% more attack speed mods locked then just slam the other one, ichor to +strikes and off you go.

It works wonderful if you're using a 2handed weapon, it would probably be broken.

My previous 2handed variant uses all abyssal items on a life base with the for some nice recovery when you take big hits, the damage is off the charts using undying labourer variant from the refinery which fires a lightning sphere which when combined with the Pledge of hands and an additional spell echo absolutely evaporated the entire war of the atlas expansion and still will without losing a step in the current patch. that character is: MortemAeternum

edit: why do i have lightning golem on that -___

would probably have 8k+ life if not 10k

in every way it was buffed with zero downsides and the only difference is that it uses a 2handed weapon.

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Draegnarrr wrote:

Also just as i've looked at the PoE planner you haven't predicated this build on minion damage = your damage stacking did you? You will only get the best mod so spiritual aid for example does nothing for you can move that passive elsewhere and realistically it will be a better build using a minion shield or possibly even necro aegis depending on how you wanted to angle it.

2x Claws does get you 2x Minion crucible trees but I've not seen any of those yet that made me go hmmmmm... but i'm also very shield biased to be fair.

The claws give you 150% of their damage without condition, i thought it was conditional so only the 70% increase is conditional on having hit something recently.

Also i had spiritual aid until i equipped the claws, thats an updated tree from my leveling one

The claws are kind of special, i grabbed them very quickly as they have 25% minion cooldown recovery rate on each of them and no mods that severely ruin making other builds with them.

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I was sitting there looking through all the mods hoping i had forgotten something but sadly just faster attacks support and i dont think that's gonna make up for the dps i need to reach super late game, I know almost every mod and item in the game by heart so it was almost immediate i barely had to think before my whole dopamine system crashed into oblivion when i found out there was only a 4link available now.

So much hope in that moment that i had forgotten something, Thanks again and have fun with the league :D i think its a good one tahts why i got this support pack and pulled my favorite and longest awaited build out of the closet to celebrate.

You still have not updated the misleading patch notes, Pretty please update the patch notes to clarify you removed an item which they currently state is still in the game.

this bow buff deleted so many builds from the game primarily minion builds which are a core part of this item having minion specific attributes on the gloves, many minion builds use one handed weapons and this change excluded them except for the few people using extreme meta-gear such as the chase item the Squire or 7-8+ link meta wands/etc that can not be considered the only method to use this item.

This was a bad decision, everything about this change favors bow builds and strengthens their weaknesses for absolutely nearly zero cost to them versus the other 1handed/etc builds that did not already heavily take advantage of this item not only are they not viable now unless using some again (extreme meta gear that is super-late game) Those things such as chase items come after red maps and are an option but should not ever be considered REQUIRED unless the user specifically decided that it was a required item in THEIR build.

Edit: and there is 1 build left i can do that lets me utilize my purchases as intended

Misleading patch notes still not updated
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3361403/page/1

Multiple bug reports and threads as well with no action by GGG taken in any way.

This is not the GGG i know, Not when its You who made the error.

This is unlike you.

@SS: I mean, you are asking for a response when you already received the response. Posted earlier in this thread, from a dev, saying the 1-socket was removed. They don't need to clarify any further, it has been said and that is that.

As far as the loss of a single link...in no world is that a make-or-break for "many" builds. Possibly 1 or 2, but certainly not "many". There were already very limited builds using Shroud (I've made a few in the past, but not recently), and others have given you solutions to work past the loss of the links in the chest.

I think this thread is a HUGE exaggeration of a problem affecting less builds than I can count on one hand. Meanwhile, there are huge sweeping changes every league that affect entire build archetypes...


Separate note: poewiki still lists the 1-abyss version (along with the 2- and 3-) and it is almost always up-to-date, which I find rather odd.

Why not just get a 6l chest with high life (and maybe incursion %life mod) as well as an elemental penetration support gem? The old Shroud was kind of a weak version of a modern rare chest with high life anyway. Yes you lose out on one single abyss jewel, but I can't imagine that's the reason you'd be upset over the change versus the pseudo 6l it used to have.