5-way service and voidstone carry service need nerf

From 5way to breachstones to poorjoys or coward's trial to heist whatever or just juiced T16 rotas....there will ALWAYS be something at the top and ppl will optimize the shit out of what they got.

If u make reaching 100 on your own easier it would also make the above easier and faster...

tldr: I haven't heard any good solution yet and I don't have one either.


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Last edited by Antigegner#0560 on Apr 26, 2023, 2:24:00 AM
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Pizzarugi wrote:
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Instead, I think it should be easier to reach level 100 without having to buy your way to it via 5-way services. You don't need 5-ways if it was easier to reach 100 on your own.


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Antigegner wrote:
From 5way to breachstones to poorjoys or coward's trial to heist whatever or just juiced T16 rotas....there will ALWAYS be something at the top and ppl will optimize the shit out of what they got.

If u make reaching 100 on your own easier it would also make the above easier and faster...

tldr: I haven't heard any good solution yet and I don't have one either.




You nailed it as most of the regulars here know there's always something else waiting but i don't remember cowards trial ever being that fast :P

faster exp in exchange for less drops? there's a few "fair" or "equivalent" exchanges out there that i would hope GGG could get behind without making the core game (easy mode)

the speed boost if there is one could also scale off the average player levels in a league or something over time that would prevent this from being overpowered on league starts.. The longer a league went on the more powerful this exp boost would be.

Alternatively exp lost on death could be mitigated by a mechanic that requires us to have physical items on us kind of like ninja substitution's in some animes, the better the substitution the less consequences... Physical items would range f rom a single inventory space all the way up to 8+ but in the largest tiers mitigating ALL exp lost on death.. Every tier consumes the item to mitigate exp lost starting with the highest tier in the inventory first.


I carry this with me everywhere with the only benefit to me being lore, I think a lot of people could carry something of this size IF it did provide a benefit.

Our inventory space is not being leveraged as a part of our build.. Yet :)
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Last edited by SilentSymphony#3358 on Apr 26, 2023, 3:24:32 AM
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SilentSymphony wrote:
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stalkingjackal wrote:

There are plenty of game modes for all types of players.


There really isn't, a lot of people have been asking for easy-mode in a separate game mode, Countless more users than ever thought Ruthless should be added.(surprise!)

Most of the carry services for this are 100% selling to the RMT and i haven't heard of ANY bans for it lately.

I am a legit player who earns their sh**, I don't get handheld all the way through the entire game and i sure as heck don't buy from RMT, and people who support these services wither you like it or not you are directly supporting rmt in a 50/50 chance most of the time.



yes some of the 5-way carries is selling div for RMT and 5-way is the most effective way earning money just AFK and see the scream u know just make something pressing the KB buttem and then AFK.And then selling for RMT.A huge destory to the game
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Antigegner wrote:
From 5way to breachstones to poorjoys or coward's trial to heist whatever or just juiced T16 rotas....there will ALWAYS be something at the top and ppl will optimize the shit out of what they got.

If u make reaching 100 on your own easier it would also make the above easier and faster...

tldr: I haven't heard any good solution yet and I don't have one either.




just let 5-way carries dipear
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SilentSymphony wrote:
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Pizzarugi wrote:
-1

Instead, I think it should be easier to reach level 100 without having to buy your way to it via 5-way services. You don't need 5-ways if it was easier to reach 100 on your own.


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Antigegner wrote:
From 5way to breachstones to poorjoys or coward's trial to heist whatever or just juiced T16 rotas....there will ALWAYS be something at the top and ppl will optimize the shit out of what they got.

If u make reaching 100 on your own easier it would also make the above easier and faster...

tldr: I haven't heard any good solution yet and I don't have one either.




You nailed it as most of the regulars here know there's always something else waiting but i don't remember cowards trial ever being that fast :P

faster exp in exchange for less drops? there's a few "fair" or "equivalent" exchanges out there that i would hope GGG could get behind without making the core game (easy mode)

the speed boost if there is one could also scale off the average player levels in a league or something over time that would prevent this from being overpowered on league starts.. The longer a league went on the more powerful this exp boost would be.

Alternatively exp lost on death could be mitigated by a mechanic that requires us to have physical items on us kind of like ninja substitution's in some animes, the better the substitution the less consequences... Physical items would range f rom a single inventory space all the way up to 8+ but in the largest tiers mitigating ALL exp lost on death.. Every tier consumes the item to mitigate exp lost starting with the highest tier in the inventory first.


I carry this with me everywhere with the only benefit to me being lore, I think a lot of people could carry something of this size IF it did provide a benefit.

Our inventory space is not being leveraged as a part of our build.. Yet :)



but for top players even not have 5-way they still can get to lv 100 very fast this leag the first man get to lv 100 using about 20 hours and last leag using less.Whatevet they makes but hopefuly that they can let 5-way carry service diappear
I don't know, I think GGG is nerfing indirectly 5 way farm quite often. Just in recent memory

1. gem leveling with beast recipe - this was a big source of income for leechers that they were leveling Awk gems in 5 ways, now difference between lvl 1 and 5 are 4 beast recipes

2. drop rate lowered significantly for both solo and party play due to league content rare bonus rework - now the economy for 5ways is just in the service, and service for leechers is mostly direct spending because of point 1

3. as mentioned there are other fast leveling strategies - ie Calandra and those xp tiles which resulted into new WR lvl 1 to 100 in 1 hour.

4. lvl 100 is not presige, it is now power creep tool. It serves as a cap. Nothing more. With more and more power being input into items and passive tree optimization with items, it is just a cap. You need extra 10% more dmg at lvl 98? buy 2 levels for 5 divines and get the 2 extra passive points. That's about it.

5 way has multiple problems. Maybe good enough XP yield, but for solo play it is absolutely inefficient time spent on trade. Want to get a nice Timeless jewel? Just buy it. Want to get 5 slot map device? Just buy participation in 5 way. Shards / tokens are for sale, not for running. I personally think the inefficiency of most builds in the content kill the content in solo play that you will never focus on Legion in SSF, that makes it pure trade league content and that means you balance it about party play. So service is the only goal of Legion and I think mechanic like that is just bad in general.
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Marxone wrote:
I don't know, I think GGG is nerfing indirectly 5 way farm quite often. Just in recent memory

1. gem leveling with beast recipe - this was a big source of income for leechers that they were leveling Awk gems in 5 ways, now difference between lvl 1 and 5 are 4 beast recipes

2. drop rate lowered significantly for both solo and party play due to league content rare bonus rework - now the economy for 5ways is just in the service, and service for leechers is mostly direct spending because of point 1

3. as mentioned there are other fast leveling strategies - ie Calandra and those xp tiles which resulted into new WR lvl 1 to 100 in 1 hour.

4. lvl 100 is not presige, it is now power creep tool. It serves as a cap. Nothing more. With more and more power being input into items and passive tree optimization with items, it is just a cap. You need extra 10% more dmg at lvl 98? buy 2 levels for 5 divines and get the 2 extra passive points. That's about it.

5 way has multiple problems. Maybe good enough XP yield, but for solo play it is absolutely inefficient time spent on trade. Want to get a nice Timeless jewel? Just buy it. Want to get 5 slot map device? Just buy participation in 5 way. Shards / tokens are for sale, not for running. I personally think the inefficiency of most builds in the content kill the content in solo play that you will never focus on Legion in SSF, that makes it pure trade league content and that means you balance it about party play. So service is the only goal of Legion and I think mechanic like that is just bad in general.


1. leveling gems in 5-way is still make a huge profit for now

2. rare drops is just a bit of 5-way profit most profit is the timeless jews and people pay for the free to the 5-way carries service

3.5-way is the most effective way and most safely way to leveling a character just need to AFK and then XP comes

4.but most people is leveling to lv 100 in 5-way 5 divs in mid leag is not expensive

5.what am i saying is that 5-way carries service is not good but for now 5-way is more leveling than farming.People pay for the carry and then get xp and carries make huge profit just standing and u know make something pressing the buttom and AFK.
thers always people who are jealous to other people who is better than them. classic.

funny was that post where one ssf player posted that he dont like 5way carry xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD dude. play your ssf
fk archnemesis.
I agree to the point, that nothing feels like an accomplishment in trade leagues anymore.

Sure killing monsters is still fun but ladders are meaningless, best in slot gear is just a trade away and when your bored of killing monsters you can just pay someone to kill it for you.
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SuperDrop wrote:
thers always people who are jealous to other people who is better than them. classic.

funny was that post where one ssf player posted that he dont like 5way carry xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD dude. play your ssf


well do u think this are good for the game ?

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