Bunch of liars, So how many leagues later and it's still here...

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Alysma wrote:
People throw the terms lie/liars around pretty often here, so.... To be fair, though: I was away for the Easter holidays and just started the league so I have no idea how mobs in maps are, yet.


They are more tanky..I do not know what they did but they either fucked something up or they didn't document it...

People are calling them liars because even though they say they are transparent in communication they are not. They just say they are...

Let's take this leagues patch notes for example. They said that it won't be a nerf patch, yet it was a nerf fest.

They said no more Archnemesis. That's true, it's no more Archnemesis, it's something worse and less rewarding...Yea we have better visuals, at least I know why when I play EA ballista I fight a mob with ignite and fire resistance 24 hours and get some useless yellows.

Overall the term lie is just something everyone says when they feel betrayed...GGG didn't lie, they just didn't say everything about what they did....There is literally no point in defending them this is what they do every league, and when people expose them a new, "We are sorry" thread signed by Chris Wilson appears, they start improving the league and everything is washed again until next league...

Needless to say this is just a test to see the limit of the community every league.
Never invite Vorana, Last To Fall at a beer party.
Last edited by Vendetta#0327 on Apr 17, 2023, 11:46:01 PM
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Vendetta wrote:
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Alysma wrote:
People throw the terms lie/liars around pretty often here, so.... To be fair, though: I was away for the Easter holidays and just started the league so I have no idea how mobs in maps are, yet.


They are more tanky..I do not know what they did but they either fucked something up or they didn't document it...

People are calling them liars because even though they say they are transparent in communication they are not. They just say they are...

Let's take this leagues patch notes for example. They said that it won't be a nerf patch, yet it was a nerf fest.

They said no more Archnemesis. That's true, it's no more Archnemesis, it's something worse and less rewarding...Yea we have better visuals, at least I know why when I play EA ballista I fight a mob with ignite and fire resistance 24 hours and get some useless yellows.

Overall the term lie is just something everyone says when they feel betrayed...GGG didn't lie, they just didn't say everything about what they did....There is literally no point in defending them this is what they do every league, and when people expose them a new, "We are sorry" thread signed by Chris Wilson appears, they start improving the league and everything is washed again until next league...

Needless to say this is just a test to see the limit of the community every league.


Nerfs yeah but the buffs are way more powerful than the nerfs even if they are tied to some heavy RNG depending on the item, the buffs did not account for all of the nerfs tho and they added some workarounds for a few of those but again not ideal for everyone x.x
Innocence forgives you
Last edited by SilentSymphony#3358 on Apr 18, 2023, 7:33:41 AM
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Vendetta wrote:


They said no more Archnemesis. That's true, it's no more Archnemesis, it's something worse and less rewarding...Yea we have better visuals, at least I know why when I play EA ballista I fight a mob with ignite and fire resistance 24 hours and get some useless yellows.


I mean it's not that hard to skip rare mobs with anti build mods.


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Needless to say this is just a test to see the limit of the community every league.


It appears that the imaginary problems are getting worse with every day/league.
Flames and madness. I'm so glad I didn't miss the fun.
Last edited by Pashid#4643 on Apr 18, 2023, 9:20:55 AM
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Vendetta wrote:


Let's take this leagues patch notes for example. They said that it won't be a nerf patch, yet it was a nerf fest.

Yeah, we probably won't see that line again anytime, soon. However, the full quote is
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Community_Team wrote:
While there are of course some small nerfs, 3.21 is most definitely not a nerf-fest.
and was posted here on March 12th - and that patch notes are subject to change basically right up until a patch is deployed is mentioned e.g. in every patch preview we get.
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Overall the term lie is just something everyone says when they feel betrayed...

"Betrayed" is another term where I think that the community could take it down a notch or two, maybe even three and start with something like "disappointed" instead, just saying. Especially if they'd like to see more actual dialogue and interaction from GGG again. Good, respectful, fair and constructive communication can only happen if it goes both ways. :)
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Good, respectful, fair and constructive communication can only happen if it goes both ways. :)


Thank you, could not have phrased it better.
~ Please separate the PoE1 and PoE2 forums.
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Alysma wrote:
Good, respectful, fair and constructive communication can only happen if it goes both ways. :)


In reflection to another thread I was in recently, I actually wonder how much of the bombastic dialog is born out of path's inherent language barriers. I know trade for me is iffy at times, only because it's clear the person on the other end and I don't share a common language, so there's not exactly room for haggling.

Forums can often end up the same way, people of disperate cultures don't always agree what words are and are not 'polite' or 'even handed', heck a lot of purely english speakers don't agree on those commonalities, particularly online. Americans are well known for their habit of hyperbolic statements and comparisons to the point of frustration at times. A tread like that plus a language barrier for either using a translation tool or just a non-native speaker might really skew their intent vs what they wrote (and the reverse is true, the things they read might be a bit different in meaning, taking a vague 'less nerfs this league' as an iron clad promise).
After reading this entire thread. All I can say is the Arch Nemesis mods aren't bad. Any league regardless of league mechanics can be horrible when you continuously NERF players with a VERY heavy hand while simultaneously tuning all mobs to 11, and also reducing loot and therefore the progression curve. The whole game balance is broken. Regardless what the cause, the game balance is broken arguably worse than it's ever been before.
"If there's one thing that being on the internet since the dawn of time has taught me, it's that gamers are among the dumbest consumers, and will constantly buy something they don't like."
-jdp29
Last edited by Sarkonis7#7541 on Apr 19, 2023, 1:21:16 AM
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lupasvasile wrote:
People still complain about this?

There was absolutely nothing wrong with the original Archnemesis mobs. And what we have now is just a mere shard of that. If people can't handle rare mobs now, I'm surprised how they can even call themselves ARPG gamers.


Currently I have the impression that you can't move two meters without running in a new rare mob with insane health and energy shield. Was there not a statement that they should be more rare? When fighting 3 or 4 of them is just annoying.

In yellow maps with still crap gear it's not fun.
I do think lying, misleading, and/or intentionally dishonest are semantics here to what GGG actually did this cycle.

What is not up for debate is the following:

1. They did not in fact keep the six best masteries in the rebalance. This is flat out objectively false.

2. There were many nerfs, and this was minimized tremendously by their posting and what CW said live on stream. It's hard to know if it's intentional, or a function of incompetence, or terrible communication in-house and to the players. None of which are great options.

3. Given the above, saying there was no need for a manifesto comes off as not wanting to explain the nerfs. (because other than a simple player power cut there isn't a "good" reason.), is not great optics

4. Breach "rework" was a Breach obliteration. You are better off doing Heist or Deli for Breach now, which is hilarious if it wasn't so said. I think Chayula blessings are as rare as some T0 uniques including Mageblood. What the actual fuck happened here?

There is probably more to discuss that wasn't documented, like rare spawn mod weighting or drop changes but those are far more subjective to interpretation or anecdotal evidence. It's seems something happened though.
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."
- Abraham Lincoln
Last edited by DarthSki44#6905 on Apr 19, 2023, 10:38:50 AM
I may have a solution:

I'll ask ChatGPT to generate a code for a new POE like ARPG game and I'll make ARPGs fun again and 100% free and completely mod-able.

I shall name it "Chat-GPOE"

I'll start pre-alpha testing this weekend on my commodore-64

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