Do you think d4 will have any impact on the ,,vision,, ?

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Vendetta wrote:

Lol ? How old are you ?

Half of GGG's game designers and devs are old D2 devs...They didn't set any bar any were...They just took an old game design D2 and added replayability on top of it.

POE is the result of years and years of Blizzard failures...If Blizzard would have given a damn about how good their games are and not just money grabbing, GGG would have stopped pushing leagues 7 years ago...

38 soon, ty for reminding me of that.

You're not very respectful person when you would take away someone's effort and success just by saying that other didn't care enough.
No one is stopping anyone to make better game than PoE, make millions along the way and put GGG out of picture. They just have to give a damn right?
C'mon...

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Vendetta wrote:

1st - POE is just a copy of an old game with replayability and long term development.
2st - You just can see past the fact that every league in POE is a copy pasted mechanic from another league made a bit different with maybe 1-2 new legendries that will have an impact on the game that you will never see probably due to rarity.
3st - Even though more mechanics to force currency the fact that the players quality of life goes down hill makes the grind even longer and even more absurde.

None of these are true, also disrespectful.

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Vendetta wrote:

and 4st and last in POE you farm to farm. You may think you have an end game, but after you reach a point were you kill ubers ( which can be achievable in like 3 days) you pretty much farm to farm. What's the point of actually making 15 mirrors a league, or mageblood in first 2 days like Grimro when all you will do is design farming strategies based on your previous farming strategies...At least Grimro get's some money out of it, but everyone else just farms to farm...because the end game is an illusion as long as you don't have something to replay for the sake of something, like sanctum for exemple.

You should make up your mind is the game too grindy or roflstomp 3 day activity to clear everything.

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Vendetta wrote:

Also all the players commenting on how good POE is are playing either in standard or barely got 14 achievements a league...Really strange...Since I made 23 challenges just by reaching the end game...Hence playing.

Wondering in which group you belong with account from 2011, 38 challenges in current league with stance that PoE is not that good of a game.

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Vendetta wrote:

Keep dreaming of GGG ever, and I say this with all the courtesy in the world, ever going to be at the high standards in both design and value as Blizzard.

You're saying this based on what exactly?

You know Torstein, it hasn't been that long that you've been bitching and whining about what a shitty game this is after poison weapons and a couple of other things got nerfed and now you are praising the game way past heaven?

Besides, aren't you confusing effort with actual quality in your praise? Someone putting lot of work into a product doesn't neccessarily make the product good you know? Sure GGG can afford putting more work into concept arts compared to LE with it's tiny studio, doesn't change the fact that LE's core concepts are miles above POE, be it loot, trading, crafting, boss design or itemisation. All GGG ever managed to produce in those areas is RNG over RNG over more RNG with 99,99999999% of all of it being a complete waste. Is that seriously the pinnacle of design in your eyes?

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Orca_Orcinus wrote:

No. Adding of the 3-lines-of-code QoL we've been asking for for years would take all of one day to implement.

Had they wanted to, they could have changed things by now.

Everyone knows that had they added all of the features they should have, the game would have millions upon millions of concurrent users.

It's not what they want

It should be obvious at this point to everyone that ggg keeps goodwill bottled for when it's direly needed, I think one streamer/content creator phrased it along the lines of ''holding QoL hostage''.

It will definitely have an impact on PoE, it's a diablo game, like most other Blizzard franchises it has cult following, we just have to hope that D4 is actually good so that it can pose a threat to PoE longterm, this game has been in dire need of competition for a very long time.

Personally I won't play it, I never liked diablo games, d2 was good for it's time sure, d3 is personally one of the worst games I've played, watched an hour or two of D4 gameplay that's out, looks completely unfun for me, I am not interested in some slow paced isometric dark souls game, however I see a lot of people are excited for it, and I've heard some good things from people who've playtested it, so even though I personally have no interest in D4, I hope it ends up being very good.

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Baharoth15 wrote:

You know Torstein, it hasn't been that long that you've been bitching and whining about what a shitty game this is after poison weapons and a couple of other things got nerfed and now you are praising the game way past heaven?

Besides, aren't you confusing effort with actual quality in your praise? Someone putting lot of work into a product doesn't neccessarily make the product good you know? Sure GGG can afford putting more work into concept arts compared to LE with it's tiny studio, doesn't change the fact that LE's core concepts are miles above POE, be it loot, trading, crafting, boss design or itemisation. All GGG ever managed to produce in those areas is RNG over RNG over more RNG with 99,99999999% of all of it being a complete waste. Is that seriously the pinnacle of design in your eyes?

Not going to lie that I haven't been pissed about who knows how many times about PoE.
Hell, i've been pissed about Sanctum too. I played whole time with disadvantage by being melee and I didn't enjoy the mechanic in general. At the same time I very much enjoyed base game, my character and chat with friends about PoE.

Even in f*ck this game moments there's no other game I'd rather be playing.

I hate to repeat myself but I have to. People that play this game for a long time have tunnel vision. Most of the time I'm in that group where out of game as whole your focus is on a very narrow thing.
Like crafting the just right item and getting frustrated about it when it doesn't go easy, Div/h mindset, stomping the game in general but losing your shit when you die and so on...

Atm i'm very much ok with state of PoE. There are things to be improved. They also can't please everyone. And yeah, my personal opinion is that PoE is high quality 10y old game that will get a revamp and still be the best arpg out there.

No doubtful it will have any impact at all on how ggg balance and create their game.

Well, I think POE 2 is the vision. I don't think D4 will have an impact on POE 2. After POE 2 is out and depending on player reaction there might be some backtracking (see archnemesis mods).

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TorsteinTheFallen wrote:

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Vendetta wrote:

Lol ? How old are you ?

Half of GGG's game designers and devs are old D2 devs...They didn't set any bar any were...They just took an old game design D2 and added replayability on top of it.

POE is the result of years and years of Blizzard failures...If Blizzard would have given a damn about how good their games are and not just money grabbing, GGG would have stopped pushing leagues 7 years ago...

38 soon, ty for reminding me of that.

You're not very respectful person when you would take away someone's effort and success just by saying that other didn't care enough.
No one is stopping anyone to make better game than PoE, make millions along the way and put GGG out of picture. They just have to give a damn right?
C'mon...

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Vendetta wrote:

1st - POE is just a copy of an old game with replayability and long term development.
2st - You just can see past the fact that every league in POE is a copy pasted mechanic from another league made a bit different with maybe 1-2 new legendries that will have an impact on the game that you will never see probably due to rarity.
3st - Even though more mechanics to force currency the fact that the players quality of life goes down hill makes the grind even longer and even more absurde.

None of these are true, also disrespectful.

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Vendetta wrote:

and 4st and last in POE you farm to farm. You may think you have an end game, but after you reach a point were you kill ubers ( which can be achievable in like 3 days) you pretty much farm to farm. What's the point of actually making 15 mirrors a league, or mageblood in first 2 days like Grimro when all you will do is design farming strategies based on your previous farming strategies...At least Grimro get's some money out of it, but everyone else just farms to farm...because the end game is an illusion as long as you don't have something to replay for the sake of something, like sanctum for exemple.

You should make up your mind is the game too grindy or roflstomp 3 day activity to clear everything.

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Vendetta wrote:

Also all the players commenting on how good POE is are playing either in standard or barely got 14 achievements a league...Really strange...Since I made 23 challenges just by reaching the end game...Hence playing.

Wondering in which group you belong with account from 2011, 38 challenges in current league with stance that PoE is not that good of a game.

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Vendetta wrote:

Keep dreaming of GGG ever, and I say this with all the courtesy in the world, ever going to be at the high standards in both design and value as Blizzard.

You're saying this based on what exactly?

Let me know exactly were I said POE is not a good game. Until you find that specific phrase , please do not talk to me. Go farm some achievements so you can have a thing to say in this matter.

2018 account , *spits on the ground*...Don't even know why I bother.

All my points are true...but since you are a bootlicker you cannot see through that.

P.S Nobody gives a nickle on how poe is doing ( and yes, if someone would give a damn it would end GGG ), 300k players peak first 2 days of a league, declining to 30k players by the end of first month and half + whatever trivial number is playing on the standalone client means nothing. Even Hearthstone which is in a particular worse state than ever has more players daily than POE had in league launches...So yea, sorry to burst your dream and being an alarm clock to you, but GGG triggers no ones attention with POE. The only ones caring about how other games are doing is GGG, hence Chris's comment about Diablo Immortal. GGG is the only one who cares about competition (they delay leagues so that they see the outcome of Blizzard launches , which indecates fear, they didn't do this for diablo immortal but they are doing it for d4), I bet that no one at Blizzard even gives a damn about a 500k player game like poe :))...To be honest fruit ninja 2 has more players than POE in peak league launch.

You just need to pull your head out of that place were the sun doesn't shine, smell the grass and realize that POE is a good game, GGG is a good company but they are light years away from Blizzard or any mogul company. And yes Blizzard and other mogul companies barely break a sweat about GGG and POE, you won't ever see Blizzard postponing any launch cuz POE has a major league release...On the contrary they will release it on the same day and crap on GGG.

POE just doesn't have a competitor for the genre yet. All the other copy pasted korean games and d3 are garbage compared to the in-depth poe has...AND JUST THAT. Things will change with d4 if they implement a good crafting and trading system,

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Vendetta wrote:

300k players peak first 2 days of a league, declining to 30k players by the end of first month and half + whatever trivial number is playing on the standalone client means nothing

I'm not disagreeing with the sentiment of your post (except the derogatory/patronizing start of it).

But I wish we actually had the standalone numbers, the Play Station numbers, the Xbox numbers and numbers from the domestic Chinese version. We can always use the beloved Steam numbers, and as a percentage indication of retention, I'm sure it's fairly accurate. But if we look at other sites out there tracking/estimating player numbers on all platforms, they have a tendency to tell a different story.

I think PoE is a bigger game than a lot of people give it credit for. But compared to the Diablo franchise, it will of course fall short every day of the week.

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Phrazz wrote:

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Vendetta wrote:

300k players peak first 2 days of a league, declining to 30k players by the end of first month and half + whatever trivial number is playing on the standalone client means nothing

I'm not disagreeing with the sentiment of your post (except the derogatory/patronizing start of it).

But I wish we actually had the standalone numbers, the Play Station numbers, the Xbox numbers and numbers from the domestic Chinese version. We can always use the beloved Steam numbers, and as a percentage indication of retention, I'm sure it's fairly accurate. But if we look at other sites out there tracking/estimating player numbers on all platforms, they have a tendency to tell a different story.

I think PoE is a bigger game than a lot of people give it credit for. But compared to the Diablo franchise, it will of course fall short every day of the week.

Even if we would have the stand alone numbers, I am 100% sure without any doubt that it doesn't pass 600k and I added another 100% of steam clients number ( which should be way lower)...600k players in top peak leagues launch it's like nothing compared to even pre-expansion titles like WoW or HS....Like I said, even fruit ninja 2 has more players than that.

That garbage p2w game Diablo Immortal which was shunned by Chris to "not be a real game" has hit 30 millions downloads. And the estimation of daily players is at 228k something. Poe only surpasses that for about 5 days in a 3 month's cycle...

And the dude above is telling me POE has set the the standard bars so high...So high that it appeals to a niche of 400k players....