It's time for GGG to take back reigns of trade for the sake of the game

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RandallPOE wrote:

If only you could play POE just fine without TFT

for top players its impossible i bulk sell everything there in one go on trade you would need days to sell it and hundreds of trades

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Nubatron wrote:

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RandallPOE wrote:

Requiring people to provide their phone number to play would be a very easy way to kill off your play base overnight, especially with the rampant Tencent paranoia. How many people are going to comfortable with that? I can't imagine very many would.

Yup. Privacy advocates would just walk away. People who don't want to be bothered with MFA every time they log in the game will be irritated. Ironically, it will bother people who are playing the game for fun, but won't stop people who are doing it as a job. They'll view it as an extra level of tedium to make money -- another way to put it is just a part of the job. It would be a prime example of unintended consequences, with little effectiveness against the target group. The irony would be funny I suppose.

My post was focusing more on the technical effectiveness of it all, and the thing is, I don't do any of that stuff so my workarounds are superficial. People who actually do this stuff will be a ton smarter, pioneering and persistent with how to beat any measure that is put in place.

What privacy? Every bullshit app on your phone has access to everything.
Steam requires phone number to make account, no one has problem with it.

RMT can be exterminated by making hoops to account creation, verification and then combing out accounts with suspicious activity. In few leagues they could clear out the waters and new ones would be eliminated very fast.

Why RMT hasn't been exterminated in other games? They are either pay to play or devs don't care or don't have the means to do it.

They will have to deal with it or game will go to shit.
If not, we will come to a point where average Joe will rather pay 60$ for Divines then to buy supporter pack. That's a highway to disaster.
I have no doubt once PoE2 lands this and many other things will come to first page of priorities.

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AdRonZh3Ro wrote:

They alredy employ people to fight against RMT because there's always waves of bans here and there, so your assessment is alredy not true. The only thing left to debate is if they are willing to commit more effort and bring down the biggest known RMTrs or just go after the small ones, which in the grand scheme is the same as doing nothing.

I just went and checked three of the most prevalent bot seller sites, and no banwaves have happened recently. A few people got banned here and there, but no waves at all for at least 6 months as far as I can tell.

Concurrently, I would gladly pay for a version of the game with 10x more loot so i can craft mirror items alone and tell trade to fuck off for eternity.

It feels like they are forgetting to make the game fun for the highest amount of players, make them happy to boost their sales, and instead are just balancing the game over trade and then complaining RMT is rampant.

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Nulledout wrote:

I just went and checked three of the most prevalent bot seller sites, and no banwaves have happened recently. A few people got banned here and there, but no waves at all for at least 6 months as far as I can tell.

Sigh. Idk, as i said before, they complain about people exploiting their game, but manage to tailor the game to be fully exploited. It's just annoying and infuriating to watch.

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TorsteinTheFallen wrote:

What privacy? Every bullshit app on your phone has access to everything.
Steam requires phone number to make account, no one has problem with it.

RMT can be exterminated by making hoops to account creation, verification and then combing out accounts with suspicious activity. In few leagues they could clear out the waters and new ones would be eliminated very fast.

Why RMT hasn't been exterminated in other games? They are either pay to play or devs don't care or don't have the means to do it.

They will have to deal with it or game will go to shit.
If not, we will come to a point where average Joe will rather pay 60$ for Divines then to buy supporter pack. That's a highway to disaster.
I have no doubt once PoE2 lands this and many other things will come to first page of priorities.

Okay, let's pretend people don't care about their privacy just for the sake of argument. Nothing stops people from using fake numbers which are exceedingly easy to get.

And just to clarify, you think RMT exists not because it's hard to stop, but because game developers have broadly chosen to not stop it? If so, that's going to be a hard sell for me.

As for you thinking POE2 will provide resolution for this, I would prepare yourself for a big big let down on this point if you actually believe that.

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Nubatron wrote:

As for you thinking POE2 will provide resolution for this, I would prepare yourself for a big big let down on this point if you actually believe that.

Yeah, i don't know how/what/why people keep thinking that PoE2 will have a revolutionary way to stop RMT that PoE doesn't/can't have.

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AdRonZh3Ro wrote:

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Nubatron wrote:

As for you thinking POE2 will provide resolution for this, I would prepare yourself for a big big let down on this point if you actually believe that.

Yeah, i don't know how/what/why people keep thinking that PoE2 will have a revolutionary way to stop RMT that PoE doesn't/can't have.

I didn't mean PoE2 will fix it, but PoE2 takes most of their resources now to a point they can barely catch up to release new league.
Once PoE2 is done, there will be plenty of resources to focus on other things.

i question if rmt is as widespread as some of these sources make out, i feel like a certain kind of person surrounds themselves with certain kinds of people. i know a ton of people through guilds etc, im aware of a single individual who used to rmt out of dozens ive known well.


but, lets presume the truth is somewhere between my experience that hardly anyone does and others experience that almost everyone does and we will just say its quite a large minority. these people need tabs to take part in the economy, and theyre all economy people, so they are supporters.

if you could permaban them you lose all that money, and all those player stats. it would cost so much to be sure you were banning the right people if it were perm bans. why would they spend a lot of money hunting out and permabanning a lot of supporters who pay them money?

thats a double hit to their finances, the result would be less money to make the game and we all would suffer. so wheres that line? if you dont keep it in check it ruins your game, if you stamp it out completely that probably also ruins your game.






i think an important part of it is the belief of the community, we have to believe its fair and theyre not just letting people get away with it. when everyone starts looking at it i feel like you have to do something, to restore faith in the game, because a lot of what an arpg is about is peoples faith that there is an integrity to the item system.

@Snorkle_uk A big part of RMT is the perceived necessity of it. People don't want items to be easily accessible, and that only reinforces the need of trade. Gx3 balancing the game based on trade is a huge mistake that only strengthens RMT.

The game is focused in single player, always was, always will, so the best way to lessen the necessity of trade is to focus on single player. Anything else they try is like puting a band aid in your arm when it's your head that is bleeding.

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And I'll keep repeating it until my dying breath, doing thousands of invitations to get the rarest unique items isn't difficult, it's just a waste of my time that i will never reward them with supporter packs. Make it fair, then i will.

Guys, they're not getting rid of RMT, but they should at least make honest trading be as smooth as possible. Because they're literally encouraging RMT with the current trade philosophy.

Like, why do a bunch of selling, exchanging, bulk trading etc, when you can just buy your item for 5$ is probably how some players think, which in turn demotivates and undermines everyone.