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DarthSki44 wrote:
Let's just be honest. This league was about testing practical implications for relics, and their feasible applications the the core game as psuedo "D2 like charms".
The problem is the power creep in doing so. You can already see it with Keystone builds and invocations. Not to mention Frenzy charges or flat added damage. It cannot make it into the game as is, at least imo.
I could see the relics making it to core in some fashion if they dramatically reduced their power, or tied it to some aspirational content and made them unique. However CW did mention the intention was to only have these last 3 months, which could mean two things.
1. They never intended them to go core
2. They want these as rewards in PoE2 (4.0)
No, the league was about just making a rogue-like (or lite, whichever) mechanic and having fun. They didn't make an entire league just to test if charms would work. Why on earth would you NEED a league to know whether or not adding in X amount of stat sticks would 'work'? The hate for GGG you seem to have has most definitely warped your opinion on nearly everything towards the cynical side. I get it to an extent, but it gets silly quickly when you reply with stuff like that.
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Posted byBleu42#4018on Jan 16, 2023, 9:13:47 PM
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after you did it alot of times like i did for piece of crap RNG achievement
i would tell it should be entirely reworked
new rooms floors boons added its bland and boring after while
and i hate the fact that i need to reroll to even fcking complete it
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Posted byZebedin#5037on Jan 16, 2023, 9:14:57 PM
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Bleu42 wrote:
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DarthSki44 wrote:
Let's just be honest. This league was about testing practical implications for relics, and their feasible applications the the core game as psuedo "D2 like charms".
The problem is the power creep in doing so. You can already see it with Keystone builds and invocations. Not to mention Frenzy charges or flat added damage. It cannot make it into the game as is, at least imo.
I could see the relics making it to core in some fashion if they dramatically reduced their power, or tied it to some aspirational content and made them unique. However CW did mention the intention was to only have these last 3 months, which could mean two things.
1. They never intended them to go core
2. They want these as rewards in PoE2 (4.0)
No, the league was about just making a rogue-like (or lite, whichever) mechanic and having fun. They didn't make an entire league just to test if charms would work. Why on earth would you NEED a league to know whether or not adding in X amount of stat sticks would 'work'? The hate for GGG you seem to have has most definitely warped your opinion on nearly everything towards the cynical side. I get it to an extent, but it gets silly quickly when you reply with stuff like that.
I'm not sure what you are talking about. Leagues have been about testing and tweaking for many years. What's silly is you think their development strategy is just for the luls and hap hazard without intent.
If you actually don't think they trial stuff, or are experimenting with elements that will appear in PoE2, well that's one way to go, I just happen to disagree with you, completely.
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."
- Abraham Lincoln Last edited by DarthSki44#6905 on Jan 16, 2023, 9:28:54 PM
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Posted byDarthSki44#6905on Jan 16, 2023, 9:24:38 PMOn Probation
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DarthSki44 wrote:
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Bleu42 wrote:
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DarthSki44 wrote:
Let's just be honest. This league was about testing practical implications for relics, and their feasible applications the the core game as psuedo "D2 like charms".
The problem is the power creep in doing so. You can already see it with Keystone builds and invocations. Not to mention Frenzy charges or flat added damage. It cannot make it into the game as is, at least imo.
I could see the relics making it to core in some fashion if they dramatically reduced their power, or tied it to some aspirational content and made them unique. However CW did mention the intention was to only have these last 3 months, which could mean two things.
1. They never intended them to go core
2. They want these as rewards in PoE2 (4.0)
No, the league was about just making a rogue-like (or lite, whichever) mechanic and having fun. They didn't make an entire league just to test if charms would work. Why on earth would you NEED a league to know whether or not adding in X amount of stat sticks would 'work'? The hate for GGG you seem to have has most definitely warped your opinion on nearly everything towards the cynical side. I get it to an extent, but it gets silly quickly when you reply with stuff like that.
I'm not sure what you are talking about. Leagues have been about testing and tweaking for many years. What's silly is you think their development strategy is just for the luls and hap hazard without intent.
If you actually don't think they trial stuff, or are experimenting with elements that will appear in PoE2, well that's one way to go, I just happen to disagree with you, completely.
And as per usual, as soon as you're questioned, the subject changes. I never said they don't test things, no kidding they test things. I specifically was responding to your own quote of "Let's just be honest. This league was about testing practical implications for relics, and their feasible applications the the core game as psuedo "D2 like charms"." Of which I was pointing out how silly it is to try to assert that the entire league was simply to test PoE's version of charms.
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Posted byBleu42#4018on Jan 16, 2023, 9:57:23 PM
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Really? Anyone can read what you wrote. This was your specific line, that you selected to write, after deciding to reply to my post.
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Bleu42 wrote:
No, the league was about just making a rogue-like mechanic and having fun.
And I disagree. I didn't change the subject. Sorry fact is I'm right here about GGG experimenting, and it's my opinion in this particular case on how some elements of Sanctum may be applied in the coming future adaptations.
You said it was just for fun. Which... yeah not a great take imo, but you are entitled to it.
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."
- Abraham Lincoln
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Posted byDarthSki44#6905on Jan 16, 2023, 10:18:17 PMOn Probation
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Phrazz wrote:
It's probably in my "worst five" list for league mechanics ever, so no; I do not hope it stays. I like the charms, and I can even like that they're soul bound. But to gate soul bound items - with such power - behind ONE mechanic? Braindead IMO. I tolerate it now, as its the current league mechanic, but if it went core? Shivers down my spine.
Couldn´t agree more. I mean, I have 38 challenges done, check which two I haven´t done... both from the league-mechanic. I left Sanctum as soon as humanly possible, it´s the worst mechanic I have ever played in that game and I play for around 11 Leagues now.
And I fullheartly hate the idea of soulbound-items as well, because they completely take away the player-agency that was created with the new atlas in the first place - I want to run the content I enjoy, not the one that gives those elusive items.
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Posted byVennto#1610on Jan 17, 2023, 4:03:08 AM
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I hope not. I hate getting inadvertently sucked into those things every time I'm near one!
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Posted bysuperbomb1967#5561on Jan 17, 2023, 9:39:26 AM
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Vennto wrote:
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Phrazz wrote:
It's probably in my "worst five" list for league mechanics ever, so no; I do not hope it stays. I like the charms, and I can even like that they're soul bound. But to gate soul bound items - with such power - behind ONE mechanic? Braindead IMO. I tolerate it now, as its the current league mechanic, but if it went core? Shivers down my spine.
Couldn´t agree more. I mean, I have 38 challenges done, check which two I haven´t done... both from the league-mechanic. I left Sanctum as soon as humanly possible, it´s the worst mechanic I have ever played in that game and I play for around 11 Leagues now.
And I fullheartly hate the idea of soulbound-items as well, because they completely take away the player-agency that was created with the new atlas in the first place - I want to run the content I enjoy, not the one that gives those elusive items.
Hah, I know what you are talking about. Out of the 12 sanctified relics I've found there is a single one which improves my build...and it gives me 2% attack and 2% movement speed via onslaught effect increase. If you ain't lucky you are not getting much out of Sanctum
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Posted byJohny_Snow#4778on Jan 17, 2023, 9:48:20 AM
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Johny_Snow wrote:
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Vennto wrote:
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Phrazz wrote:
It's probably in my "worst five" list for league mechanics ever, so no; I do not hope it stays. I like the charms, and I can even like that they're soul bound. But to gate soul bound items - with such power - behind ONE mechanic? Braindead IMO. I tolerate it now, as its the current league mechanic, but if it went core? Shivers down my spine.
Couldn´t agree more. I mean, I have 38 challenges done, check which two I haven´t done... both from the league-mechanic. I left Sanctum as soon as humanly possible, it´s the worst mechanic I have ever played in that game and I play for around 11 Leagues now.
And I fullheartly hate the idea of soulbound-items as well, because they completely take away the player-agency that was created with the new atlas in the first place - I want to run the content I enjoy, not the one that gives those elusive items.
Hah, I know what you are talking about. Out of the 12 sanctified relics I've found there is a single one which improves my build...and it gives me 2% attack and 2% movement speed via onslaught effect increase. If you ain't lucky you are not getting much out of Sanctum
And aren't there others that would improve someone else's build?
I mean, I also got barely anything for myself, but people doing dex-stacking would pay a lot for this:
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So, yeah, I'm a +1 on the hate of soulbound items.
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Posted byXyel#0284on Jan 17, 2023, 10:31:44 AM
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Nay, its boring.
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Posted byCheckout#4254on Jan 17, 2023, 2:16:24 PM
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