Will 3.20 fix the game ?

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LukasKodlos wrote:

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I'm personally looking forward to play Ruthless in the next league or try it at least since I'm a big fan of og poe, but since you will not have any movement skills which will indeed feel like an og experience I wonder how will you dash those ground effect on death and stuff that was added later to the game and are unable to dash without movement skills. I have no problem killing and enjoying fight with act boss for 10 minutes but man if they do not remove those effect that can be dodged only by movement skill it's nonsense to play it because your skill and awareness will not matter.

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Vennto wrote:

Yeah yeah allright. I wasn´t planning on going into full in-depth detail discussion, and yes, they say it should be a nerf. But since u pointed it out, let me make my case: While nerfs sometimes are, they are not ALWAYS a bad thing. In this case, I like it. First and foremost, it was true that Maven was hugely inferior in comparison to altars, forcing you into one of the 2 atlas influences. Secondly, the FOMO for not going wrath of the cosmos like they pointed out did indeed exist, resulting posibly in a worse play-experience through random deaths. Thirdly, also true like they pointed out, getting wrath of the cosmos on the left side while actually farming eater altars is not only detrimental to your overall atlas effectiveness but also kind of didnt make sense to me, so I like this change as well.
Lastly, while you´re correct in regards to the "currency" vs. "divine orbs" altar nodes, I actually like the more deterministic approach - and srsly, how often did u get a divine from it? The +3 divines might not be that common, but dropping divine from the former mod wasn´t that common eigher.

Lastly, other changes mentioned in the manifesto, regarding global scarabs and the 3:1 recipe to upgrade them are highly appreciated by me.

So yes, if you really wanna go into semantics like "they are indeed nerfs" then fine, but those are actually nerfs for the better, not the worse. And that was actually my point. You can always pick out the things that are nerfed while ignoring the big picture and this community LOVES to do that. I personally love the option to go maven again without losing currency by not going for atlas-influences.

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shadow_rps wrote:

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Vennto wrote:

Yeah yeah allright. I wasn´t planning on going into full in-depth detail discussion, and yes, they say it should be a nerf. But since u pointed it out, let me make my case: While nerfs sometimes are, they are not ALWAYS a bad thing. In this case, I like it. First and foremost, it was true that Maven was hugely inferior in comparison to altars, forcing you into one of the 2 atlas influences. Secondly, the FOMO for not going wrath of the cosmos like they pointed out did indeed exist, resulting posibly in a worse play-experience through random deaths. Thirdly, also true like they pointed out, getting wrath of the cosmos on the left side while actually farming eater altars is not only detrimental to your overall atlas effectiveness but also kind of didnt make sense to me, so I like this change as well.
Lastly, while you´re correct in regards to the "currency" vs. "divine orbs" altar nodes, I actually like the more deterministic approach - and srsly, how often did u get a divine from it? The +3 divines might not be that common, but dropping divine from the former mod wasn´t that common eigher.

Lastly, other changes mentioned in the manifesto, regarding global scarabs and the 3:1 recipe to upgrade them are highly appreciated by me.

So yes, if you really wanna go into semantics like "they are indeed nerfs" then fine, but those are actually nerfs for the better, not the worse. And that was actually my point. You can always pick out the things that are nerfed while ignoring the big picture and this community LOVES to do that. I personally love the option to go maven again without losing currency by not going for atlas-influences.

First. Maven influence still garbage. Upping it from 1/div hour to 2/div hour change nothing.
Second. If WoC THIS scary they can just weaken downside. Or make node branch to make it ajustable.
Third. Again they can just equalize both branches on upper limit, instead they nerf it to the ground.
Fourth. It's not determenistic its still random, but more reading.

Lastly, your post is classic "not my problem" "nerf them all you want". This behavior has long been known and well documented http://www.memorableplaces.com/mudwimping.html

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shadow_rps wrote:

First. Maven influence still garbage. Upping it from 1/div hour to 2/div hour change nothing.
Second. If WoC THIS scary they can just weaken downside. Or make node branch to make it ajustable.
Third. Again they can just equalize both branches on upper limit, instead they nerf it to the ground.
Fourth. It's not determenistic its still random, but more reading.

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Vennto wrote:

As I will be playing 3.20 literally anything will affect me, and based on the short list of challenges you completed I am pretty sure it will affect me way more than you.

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Vennto wrote:

"To the ground"... nice exageration, we don´t know that yet.

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Pashid wrote:

Deal with it and play the new changes before you complain about something in first place.

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shadow_rps wrote:

Not this time. First two weeks i will enjoy your pain from aside. When you feel it, when reddit feel it, when patches out, when apologies maked. Then i will try.

Wow. Just wow. Nerfing upsides while making downsides more scary is good. Less is more.
Truly this game cannot die, some players just won't notice it.