botting :(

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Universalis wrote:

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/7414/2013041200010.jpg

this is botting or some assist bot for multiboxing, and multiboxing isnt allowed in this game i guess ^^

What that screen shot shows is a bot, with some programming knowledge in C# the bot is telling them to put a tp up and tp out as there is a threat there (another player not with or part of the group). That is NOT multiboxing. That is far far different.

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Dan1986 wrote:

I said this before kids...

Even if it's not botting, this game WAS NEVER INTENDED to play with multiple clients at the same time which makes it CHEATING. You could also activate some auras on the chars behind you, which actually would make the game easier.

Multiboxing = CHEATING.

It's an advantage you are not supposed to get. It doesn't require any skills to do, it just requires more CPU power.

If GGG doesn't change their minds about this, I will definitely use it myself when I restart playing. I am just tired of being told "it's okay, if you don't make use of it it's your own fault. You can grind 4 x as much time as me and find 1/4 of my drops, trollolol drool idiot!", and nobody seems to care.

LOL it was never intended, well if that was the case there is a way to make it so you can only open 1 client on a computer.....Guess the devs of a complex game like this weren't that smart to implement it though, even though they stated they as well multibox...what a joke really.

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logic82 wrote:

Key Cloning and botting are 2 completely different thing, as they say ignorance is bliss it seems to be true. a "Bot" is s completely automated as in you set it upa nd it runs on its own. "Key Cloning" is where you press 1 key and it does the same on all other clients. COMPLETELY different as there is NOTHING automated about it. As for you're pretty bold comment, I know what i am talking about and is the ONLY reason I responded to this post as I am sick of people accusing legit players of cheating because they have no senes to research it and lack the logic to see the difference. Multiboxxing is a legit style of gameplay and the reason I love to multibox is because I love micromanaging a ton and as I said I didn't start doing it in this game until people kept ninjaing my loot. I agree that people should not be key cloning in this game as witht he right style, build, and gear you can run those clients and only use 1 to clear a map, regardless it is not botting, please look up the definition of botting before commenting. I mean you are free to comment but the more you know the better off you are. Multiboxing has been a part for gaming for years and always will be. People seem to think that is gives some unfair advantage but again what people do not realize is that they still have to gear all those guys to progress so it is harder to run multiple clients as there is A LOT more you have to pay attention to and A LOT more items and gems and currency needed to progress. Botting and multiboxing are different and if GGG says no more, well then I goo find another game to spend money on with all my clients as with each client comes more stash tabs needed for each client. As long as people are not running bots, real bots then there is nothing wrong with multiboxing but if they are botting then they should be banned. I don't like cheaters and lazy people.

There is nothing automated about key cloning? What about the keystrokes made on the other game clients? If those are not automated then who is actually inputting them?

Multiboxing with ISboxer to duplicate your keystrokes is cheating. You sir should be banned.

Loading multiple clients is perfectly legit, but if you are using external software to duplicate keystrokes then you are cheating.

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Universalis wrote:

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/7414/2013041200010.jpg

this is botting or some assist bot for multiboxing, and multiboxing isnt allowed in this game i guess ^^

What that screen shot shows is a bot, with some programming knowledge in C# the bot is telling them to put a tp up and tp out as there is a threat there (another player not with or part of the group). That is NOT multiboxing. That is far far different.

at least 3 bots are running here meaning thats certainly the same player, but this is still potential multiboxing: not sure if you heard about the "follower" and/or "follower-fighter" bots in d2 game but this may be used.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-boxing

this is a detail anyway take it easy, it's botting for sure :)

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thepmrc wrote:

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logic82 wrote:

Key Cloning and botting are 2 completely different thing, as they say ignorance is bliss it seems to be true. a "Bot" is s completely automated as in you set it upa nd it runs on its own. "Key Cloning" is where you press 1 key and it does the same on all other clients. COMPLETELY different as there is NOTHING automated about it. As for you're pretty bold comment, I know what i am talking about and is the ONLY reason I responded to this post as I am sick of people accusing legit players of cheating because they have no senes to research it and lack the logic to see the difference. Multiboxxing is a legit style of gameplay and the reason I love to multibox is because I love micromanaging a ton and as I said I didn't start doing it in this game until people kept ninjaing my loot. I agree that people should not be key cloning in this game as witht he right style, build, and gear you can run those clients and only use 1 to clear a map, regardless it is not botting, please look up the definition of botting before commenting. I mean you are free to comment but the more you know the better off you are. Multiboxing has been a part for gaming for years and always will be. People seem to think that is gives some unfair advantage but again what people do not realize is that they still have to gear all those guys to progress so it is harder to run multiple clients as there is A LOT more you have to pay attention to and A LOT more items and gems and currency needed to progress. Botting and multiboxing are different and if GGG says no more, well then I goo find another game to spend money on with all my clients as with each client comes more stash tabs needed for each client. As long as people are not running bots, real bots then there is nothing wrong with multiboxing but if they are botting then they should be banned. I don't like cheaters and lazy people.

There is nothing automated about key cloning? What about the keystrokes made on the other game clients? If those are not automated then who is actually inputting them?

Multiboxing with ISboxer to duplicate your keystrokes is cheating. You sir should be banned.

Loading multiple clients is perfectly legit, but if you are using external software to duplicate keystrokes then you are cheating.

Again you are putting 2 different types of multiboxer in the same class and missing my point of logic so here is the ABC's again. There are many that DON'T key clone therefore it is not a violation of ToS and therefore there is no automation and therefore it is not the same thing, you starting to get my drift? Also, using certain software makes it less stressful on a pc, you understand how hyperthreading works or are you still on a single core AMD? They ban ISboxer I will write my own program to make sure I can hyperthread proper;y without burning up my cpu and I will release it free, so either way gl getting rid of programs. I do not key clone and if people do it then they are wrong, but with that said wait til you see how bad the economy gets when bots are actually released, you think multiboxers are bad LOLLOLOLOLOL. I have been in C# for a bit and I am telling you now multiboxers are NOTHING for what is to come.

GGG is focusing on RMT and with RMT is bots and it is only gonna get worse as the bots right now are private and this is so the RMT guys can get their farm on without any other interference from little nobodys like you and I once public bots hit, it will be 10xs worse. Look at how bad botting is in D3 and if GGG does not have something prepared for it, then it is gonna be the same here. I will not get deep intot he coding aspect of this game but most things are not client sided and until they are, this leaves a huge huge problem for bots and they are coming :).

So keep crying about multiboxers and keycloning when I know there are worse things coming to the economy of PoE. I love the game and hope GGG hits it fast and hard, but from what I see int he coding, they don't and it's gonne be bad for a long time. with that said I am off and hope you guys see what I am talking about. I understand people have their views and opinions on multiboxing but there really are worse things to come.

One last thing, to your comment about ISboxer and how someone can be banned, you can turn off the key cloning aspect in IS boxer, ISboxer is great for nubs and hyperthreading multiple clients so it does not eat your CPU as I have said before. You obviously know little fo the program and should not speak of or on it until you ahve a good base knowledge of it. That is like saying you can write hello world in C#, therefore you know how to program. I mean it's just silly don't ya think?

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Universalis wrote:

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logic82 wrote:

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Universalis wrote:

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/7414/2013041200010.jpg

this is botting or some assist bot for multiboxing, and multiboxing isnt allowed in this game i guess ^^

What that screen shot shows is a bot, with some programming knowledge in C# the bot is telling them to put a tp up and tp out as there is a threat there (another player not with or part of the group). That is NOT multiboxing. That is far far different.

at least 3 bots are running here meaning thats certainly the same player, but this is still potential multiboxing: not sure if you heard about the "follower" and/or "follower-fighter" bots in d2 game but this may be used.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-boxing

this is a detail anyway take it easy, it's botting for sure :)

You sir, don't like to read.

LOL you posted a wiki leak that totally went against what you are saying....and I am supposed to listen to you HAHAHAHAHA! Good day.

"Multiboxing is generally allowed[citation needed] by MMORPG End User License Agreements, because the characters are still subject to all the normal rules of the game world and are controlled by the player directly. This is in contrast to bots that partially or fully control the characters, which are against the terms of service of most online games.[3]"

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logic82 wrote:

LOL you posted a wiki leak that totally went against what you are saying....and I am supposed to listen to you HAHAHAHAHA! Good day.

"Multiboxing is generally allowed[citation needed] by MMORPG End User License Agreements, because the characters are still subject to all the normal rules of the game world and are controlled by the player directly. This is in contrast to bots that partially or fully control the characters, which are against the terms of service of most online games.[3]"

"ahahah" you seems mad.


what i means is multiboxing is a generic term that include the simple fact to open like 4x sessions in the same game instance (4x as example, it can be 2x or 6x...)
then multiboxing can INCLUDE botting: aka doing those bots working together.

in the same way multiboxing include to use the same UI to control 4x characters (4x as example, it can be 2x or 6x...)

My initial statement regarding the post #1 was : it was multiboxing + botting.

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Universalis wrote:

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logic82 wrote:

LOL you posted a wiki leak that totally went against what you are saying....and I am supposed to listen to you HAHAHAHAHA! Good day.

"Multiboxing is generally allowed[citation needed] by MMORPG End User License Agreements, because the characters are still subject to all the normal rules of the game world and are controlled by the player directly. This is in contrast to bots that partially or fully control the characters, which are against the terms of service of most online games.[3]"

"ahahah" you seems mad.


what i means is multiboxing is a generic term that include the simple fact to open like 4x sessions in the same game instance (4x as example, it can be 2x or 6x...)
then multiboxing can INCLUDE botting: aka doing those bots working together.

in the same way multiboxing include to use the same UI to control 4x characters (4x as example, it can be 2x or 6x...)

My initial statement regarding the post #1 was : it was multiboxing + botting.

I seem mad by typing hahahaha? No I actually was laughing...lolz. Made me chuckle this time. I get a lot of laughs from you. also you said it is botting not it can include botting so please be correct and quit switching your statements.

oh here is a quote from what you said to be specific, "at least 3 bots are running here meaning thats certainly the same player,"

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logic82 wrote:

I seem mad by typing hahahaha? No I actually was laughing...lolz. Made me chuckle this time. I get a lot of laughs from you. also you said it is botting not it can include botting so please be correct and quit switching your statements.

oh here is a quote from what you said to be specific, "at least 3 bots are running here meaning thats certainly the same player,"

3 bots running in the same game like that was certainly the same player/owner.

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/7414/2013041200010.jpg

oh lol they even use the same name prefix, and if we check the map they also seems to be in the same place.

after a deep analysis i can say my statement was definitely true, look like some kind of multiboxing+botting

lets make peace and let's use the term of "multibotting" else we are both ridiculous :)