90-95% of the unique buffs are really bad.

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moumout wrote:

I dont understand why they buff leveling uniques while nerfing the drop frequency. We have less monsters and less items quant/rarity in acts, so we would have less chance to find them when we need them the most …

Its simple, for your other characters, twink gear. You will also be really happy to get one during leveling.

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Aynix wrote:

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u4UCn5cmk7tFdghP wrote:

I do not make alts, if you do good job on first try I just do not see reason for alts, regrets are never expensive so you can just change the build even if you fail or do league starter and then regret like 30 points to transition to your endgame build. It is virtually never faster to make alt than to farm regret orbs.

My main issue with alts is that you have to do the missions again, i have no problem leveling from 1 to 100 again but the missions always break me, sometimes i finish campaign the first day of league and take 1 day break to recover from that torture.

I would be curious about the actual alt-statistics, i'd guess it is enough for most people to get burned out on re-doing missions once every 3 months.

I personally know some people that make 20 alts per month because they are forever unhappy with any build they do (they never put in the effort to push it from low budget starter to endgame)
They just play video where dude in mirrored gear makes all uber bosses explode in instant while having 11k hp and think that they will do the same on 2ex budget, after they do not they simply reroll instead of fixing the build.


Maybe they will be cheap enough to buy on our first characters, that remains to be seen, but somehow with them saying they are a lot rarer now it sounds like that is not the case.

I mean if you not make alts you dont rly need "leveling uniques". Since getting them in a single run of campaign is very unlikely those are more of a "alt thing".
Also point of alts is to have many characters. I make several builds each league but I dont trash the build the moment I made other character. I often make character to 91-92, make new build to 91-92, then switch back to previous one to get one more lvl and son on. I like to get back to my previous builds.

Yeah that is my point. The usage for leveling uniques as the other poster said too, is rather questionable. So the focus maybe should be on keeping them decently powerful at least as white maps/yellow map items.

Instead of nerfing them and reducing the level needed to use them and calling it "buff"

Btw there are 32 leagues so 33 characters including standard and only 24character limit

So even not making alts if you'd play for as long as me you'd have -9slots at this point. If you make 1 hardcore and 1 softcore that is -42slots

So It is not exactly "supported" for you to return to old builds and make multiple alts. Unless you just like to delete tens of characters each year.

Now add the temporary leagues(sometimes 4 of them run at once, endless delve, mayhem, ultra marine, battle royal, 1week race, gauntlet..)

And you end up with more characters deleted than you own.

You can buy more character slots for 5 dollars each(depending on your region)
But to pay 250 or more dollars just to not have to delete characters creating only 1 for each league is steep price.

As f2p you have only 2 choices 1. Make no alts and still delete half your characters every few years. 2. Make new account.

I can understand that with 13sup packs u do not see that as issue, but that does not mean it is somehow encouraged playstyle just because very few ppl can afford it.

Which means some of these buffs are niche of niche that can be hardly swept under the rug as "well it is for all the people that make 20 endgame alts per league" because those people are not exactly majority.
Overall Making the argument that items had to be nerfed so they can be alt-leveling uniques not very convincing.

Keep in mind that main game is Trade Softcore League, not standard. That was stated multiple times by GGG. Standard is graveyard, most players dont care about characters there. Most players do multiple characters every league, thats the norm, if you dont then you are outlier.

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u4UCn5cmk7tFdghP wrote:

So It is not exactly "supported" for you to return to old builds and make multiple alts. Unless you just like to delete tens of characters each year.

Correction. I delete 5+ characters every league to make slots for new build since I maxed character capacity years ago.

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Aynix wrote:

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u4UCn5cmk7tFdghP wrote:

So It is not exactly "supported" for you to return to old builds and make multiple alts. Unless you just like to delete tens of characters each year.

Correction. I delete 5+ characters every league to make slots for new build since I maxed character capacity years ago.

I see.
Yeah I like to attach myself to characters and keep them alive long-term, i made new account instead of deleting old ones. But it gets sad because you do not have the league rewards on every account and still gotta pay for at least currency and map tab to make endgame playable.

I wonder what is the maximum capacity for ppl that pay for slots, is there limit at all?
In warframe you can pay for riven slots but you still can have only 180 of them total. I'd think there will be cap of 99 or something like that.

Cant find any info about cap of it, so I assume its high enough for no one to reach it.

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moumout wrote:

Amongst things i dislike, there is the tendency from GGG to remove Health on items destined to the right part of the passive Tree. Ranger and shadow iare already low in health, and most of Evasion uniques doesnt have a Life roll. you can boost your evasion, but when you take a hit you're oneshotted.
Kintsugi has lost his life roll and its not the only unique.(deerstalker too)

Yes, i had the same reflection while reading the patch note.
Its sad because when you start using uniques, you loose so much life pool.

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Baharoth15 wrote:

You are right that it probably servers their goals well but honestly, their goals are misguided to begin with. For the average player that actually plays for at least a month during a league the leveling process is like 1% of his total time spend. 28 levels during the campaign is like what? Two hours? Utterly irrelevant.
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Its twink gear, its supposed to help you make new character, nothing more, nothing less. GGG made many uniques usefull for that puprose. It doesnt matter how long you will use it as long as it will be good for you at some point. Such concept seems to be hard to grasp for you for some reason.

Yeah, it's going to be useful for a short time but who in his right mind would do that?

People who don't have time to play this game 8-12h/day?

The time I have for an alt, if I even get around to it ever I always use lvl'ing uniques it's a complete no-brainer. Some of the buffs to them are amazing.

Other unique nerfs are disappointing as they served a purpose for mid-game gear for a while.

Not sure why you're so up in arms over people trying to save their real life time using something to get them through the dreaded campaign slag.

they should put back uniques sellable by vendors like they did with the old masters.
with some luck, we could have some low price usefull uniques while leveling

There are a few uniques people are sleeping on I think.


Not going to mention them because I don't want prices high but its all in the path notes, definitely build defining / enabling changes.