So basically its gonna be trickster league is it not?

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Xyel wrote:

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Aynix wrote:

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Xyel wrote:

Err... where exactly is the damage in trickster? I mean, if I look at the builds I've played, unallocating ascendancy nodes would cause anything between 40 and 70 % dps loss. I can't get anywhere close to that when trying trickster.

We have more than enough damage from items and the tree. Defense and utility is way more usefull and Trickster has both.

I strongly disagree with that, at least as far things I've played are concerned (always play shadow, ranger, or witch). Literally every build I've ever played and did well was a build that got a massive part of its damage from the ascendancy, and I don't I've ever even seen a good build that didn't.

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u4UCn5cmk7tFdghP wrote:

Many builds did not have that good of dps boost but the utility compensated for it.
For example duelist slayer that had overleech, that alone was enough to play him and make him most popular in some leagues.

people played templar only for "regenerate 40% life in 1 second every 5 seconds"

Ranger was never top-end dps but had best clearspeed because of movement speed and flask uptime. So MF builds had him as number 1.

Occultist had 100% ignite chance from single node

and many such cases.

The dps difference needs to be truly huge for people to not pick something that has great QoL.

Problem here is "does assassin have great QoL" I'd say no the 108% base speed is not impressive, kaom roots do pretty much the same thing for years and people do not even wear those.

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Xyel wrote:

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u4UCn5cmk7tFdghP wrote:

Many builds did not have that good of dps boost but the utility compensated for it.
For example duelist slayer that had overleech, that alone was enough to play him and make him most popular in some leagues.

people played templar only for "regenerate 40% life in 1 second every 5 seconds"

Ranger was never top-end dps but had best clearspeed because of movement speed and flask uptime. So MF builds had him as number 1.

Occultist had 100% ignite chance from single node

and many such cases.

The dps difference needs to be truly huge for people to not pick something that has great QoL.

Problem here is "does assassin have great QoL" I'd say no the 108% base speed is not impressive, kaom roots do pretty much the same thing for years and people do not even wear those.

And was this before 3.15 or after it?

Because damage wasn't an issue back then, it has been since and scaling a build to lategame-viable damage without the ascendancy doing a whole lot of that is extremely difficult now.

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Xyel wrote:

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u4UCn5cmk7tFdghP wrote:

Many builds did not have that good of dps boost but the utility compensated for it.
For example duelist slayer that had overleech, that alone was enough to play him and make him most popular in some leagues.

people played templar only for "regenerate 40% life in 1 second every 5 seconds"

Ranger was never top-end dps but had best clearspeed because of movement speed and flask uptime. So MF builds had him as number 1.

Occultist had 100% ignite chance from single node

and many such cases.

The dps difference needs to be truly huge for people to not pick something that has great QoL.

Problem here is "does assassin have great QoL" I'd say no the 108% base speed is not impressive, kaom roots do pretty much the same thing for years and people do not even wear those.

And was this before 3.15 or after it?

Because damage wasn't an issue back then, it has been since and scaling a build to lategame-viable damage without the ascendancy doing a whole lot of that is extremely difficult now.

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Aynix wrote:

Damage is even less of an issue now than before 3.15 as long you dont aim to kill Uber Ubers. Each league adds new source of powercreep to our gear, nowadays gear is much better than it was pre 3.15.

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Xyel wrote:

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Aynix wrote:

Damage is even less of an issue now than before 3.15 as long you dont aim to kill Uber Ubers. Each league adds new source of powercreep to our gear, nowadays gear is much better than it was pre 3.15.

You say that, but when I pull your sentinel toon into PoB, it loses half of its damage when I unallocate the ascendancy...

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Aynix wrote:

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Xyel wrote:

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Aynix wrote:

Damage is even less of an issue now than before 3.15 as long you dont aim to kill Uber Ubers. Each league adds new source of powercreep to our gear, nowadays gear is much better than it was pre 3.15.

You say that, but when I pull your sentinel toon into PoB, it loses half of its damage when I unallocate the ascendancy...

And I would still have more than enough damage for mapping, and I would prolly feel even better being much more tanky (my current char was quite squishy)
Also Im not a great example of that since I usually dont spend more than 20 ex on entire build. Spend 20 ex on each part of the gear and you will gladly take Tickster QoL over extra dmg from Ascendancy.

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Gopstop22 wrote:

i think its pretty simple if the ascendy is revolved around defenses for example like champion then you can focus more on dps on your items or the tree so what if trickster doesnt have 50% more dmg on his ascendy? he got way more utility and defenses so he can focus more on dmg not really hard to understand

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Aynix wrote:

Even quarter of my current DPS (the melee character) would be enough to easily do T16 and farm currency. I would gladly trade 50% of my DPS for 46% less damage taken + extra speed