Want to share why I'm losing interest in the game on the daily basis

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feral_nature wrote:

"nerf trading" sounds just like an idea devs would listen to.

currently, success in poe is so much dependent on efficient trading, you just lose if you play the game the normal way.

people are right if they claim that you need alot of skill to trade successfully, that's why nerfing trade is just one of the possible options.

current trade is designed in a way that you can hardly do any bulk trading over the trading websites, people just did shortcut the limitation by trading whole inventories over tft on discord.

if ggg ever limits trade, it needs to completely overhaul it.

Doesn't matter how much they limit trade, it'll never be the correct issue to tackle. They have to choose: is the game single-player or multi-player?

If it's single-player, the game should be balanced around a SSF perspective and give more rewards for playing alone. If i have to waste two-three weeks before i can enjoy the game and tackle end game content, I'll just trade. I want to want to make several characters each league, try skills i never had, craft stuff tailored specifically for me, but that's just impossible without trade.

If it's multi-player, trade should be completely unrestricted and the game difficulty balanced around it. Need to craft a phys weapon? Buy the first 100 essences and recombs in the AH and start spamming, not waste 2-3h with bots before i can even begin my craft.

Literally, all mechanics they introduced to the game made sure that finding rare gear on the ground is the worst way possible to improve, base game currency included. If i alt + aug + regal + multicraft an item, it'll 99% of the time be better than anything i can find on the ground. It just baffles me that they don't want to improve trade when they single handedly refuse to make the core loot drop useful and keep making more mechanics that empower trade, while also bitching that trade is overpowered.

Trade will never be the problem, them refusing to properly balance the game and improve trade to remove scammers/bots, is.

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vio wrote:

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current trade is designed in a way that you can hardly do any bulk trading over the trading websites, people just did shortcut the limitation by trading whole inventories over tft on discord.

What are you talking about?
Any bulktype items you put in a public tab that are compatible with bulk items (maps/fragments/whatever) are recognized by the bulk trade system as long as they are either priced the same by item of because the whole tab has a set price.
It literally has never been easier to bulk trade without needing any discord or whatever...

For example: you put 5 mavens writ in some public sell tab, and you set the price of eac individually to e.g. 80c, it gets listed in the bulk items on trade site as 5 available 80c each.

Listing your items on some discord and responding to trade offers there is even more work and time consuming then what the game offers you nowadays out of the box...
How much more do you want

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vio wrote:

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feral_nature wrote:

"nerf trading" sounds just like an idea devs would listen to.

currently, success in poe is so much dependent on efficient trading, you just lose if you play the game the normal way.

people are right if they claim that you need alot of skill to trade successfully, that's why nerfing trade is just one of the possible options.

current trade is designed in a way that you can hardly do any bulk trading over the trading websites, people just did shortcut the limitation by trading whole inventories over tft on discord.

if ggg ever limits trade, it needs to completely overhaul it.

I did only the trading i needed to do, generally for bases or just hard to find min-max gear on top of trying to craft my own and more bases for that and whatever the price on that stuff fluctuates depending on how popular certain builds are and you can avoid that but shit like Enlighten just keeps going up in price and its making me pretty angry having to pay 10x the cost of my entire build for an Enlighten 4 when there's like 300 of them up on the market not selling because its all a price fix.

Its just so damned tiring to interact with trade now to buy even a couple of crappy items the thought of it getting worse is not an environment i'd ever want to be involved with or ever suggest to anyone they should try, so i tried pretty hard for two entire leagues to get away from trade but the divination cards simply told me "better luck never" and honestly just shitty luck which is whatever im used to that with this game and you just keep on grinding forward making gains.

I've about entirely had it with the game just because of the level of price fixing of important build items:
Enligten
Empower
ETC

And farming div cards? IM NOT FARMING A HEADHUNTER HERE i should be able to get 1 card out of like 1000 ashen fields seriously.

i even take into account my LEVEL in the zone because i was sitting here when you added divination cards GGG and i was in your low level story zones farming that stuff killing myself to stay at the perfect level to farm them.

frustrating..

The only real problem I have with it is doing juiced maps or stuff like uber shaper/simulacrum/100% deli juiced maps, etc.. that take up a decent window of time where you may want all your portals especially early league.

Price fixing sucks but you can deal with that because its obvious when people are live searching you can just finish map/whatever and go raise the price.

The rest of the problems I think are just because younger people are just too used to qol. They dont remember the pace of older games.

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1869Flame wrote:

What are you talking about?

i talked about people selling whole inventories of currency/shards for a fixed price.
which was "the last straw which broke the camels' back" for gg so they announced that they will announce (soon) to do something against those external communities and the strategical advantage they provide for their closed membership circles.

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vio wrote:

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1869Flame wrote:

What are you talking about?

i talked about people selling whole inventories of currency/shards for a fixed price.
which was "the last straw which broke the camels' back" for gg so they announced that they will announce (soon) to do something against those external communities and the strategical advantage they provide for their closed membership circles.

With all due respect, and I am not trying to troll or whatever, but what is the issue here? It is trade in its finest.
You can sell whole inventories via the normal trade GGG provides as well.

How any discord community seems to break this/do this better, I simply do not understand.
Either someone sells for too low or, or someone pays more to have a full inventory at once?
Then again, the difference in prices a discord community can provide over the trade site GGG provides can never be too big, else you would either have a stupid seller or buying getting way to little for their items, or paying way too much.

So maybe I missing something here, what exactly makes these discord channels a problem for bulk sales, as I don't see it.

When GGG refers to trade on these sites, I think they usually refer to the services getting traded (benchcraft/harvestcraft/syndicate/...) and I doubt they are really referring to item trades.
As scams and such are more of a thing here, I do understand GGG will try do implement some changes, but I doubt they will change any for items as I don't think there is much wrong here

here is to hoping for the best, things were bad enough 5+ leagues ago that i have since avoided all new items like cluster jewels (I've never used one)

GGG does seem to be listening so I'm excited to give the next league a go.

Bro, if you haven't tried cluster jewels your mind will be blown once you actually min max a build.

trading is so good that you don't have to play the game at all. You can trade first, then buy gear and then (somehow) bypass the game by steam-rolling it with the high-end gear you bought.

if that's a good or bad thing is up to you to decide for yourselves.

I personally (just my irrelevant thoughts) think it's bad because for me the core and main fun of an arpg is finding my own gear...but that has been severely damaged by trade and crafting...