Why is Mathil able to do everything that is impossible according to most of the complains here?

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Foreverhappychan wrote:

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Zerber wrote:

Are you guys complaining actually aware that all the knowledge mathil and every other streamer or player which has like 100ex in 2 weeks has is freely available to you?

So's the internet, the greatest repository of information in the history of the world, and most people are still fucking idiots about most things. And most of those things are far, far more important than Po fucking E.

I was watching/listening to a think-tank round table a few years back, and they had a similar discussion. Essentially if you told some of the old world scientists, philosophers, inventors, that in the future everyone would have a small device at our fingertips, that could answer any questions, and provide information instantly, and we would instead use it for Candy Crush, and sending nudes, they wouldnt believe you.

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SeCKSEgai wrote:

You basically made up a nonexistent problem with your original thread title, probably to incite the complaints you're eliciting now.

The game has changed ALOT since I started.

No I didnt "made up a nonexistent problem" and your whole text doesnt even talk about the problem at hand you talk about something completly different.

You are just trying to derail every post into a conversation about what you personaly dislike about the game in general.

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Foreverhappychan wrote:

And most of those things are far, far more important than Po fucking E.

It seems important enough for them to spam this forum with constant posts about that exact topic. I dont get that attitude, when I dont like a specific game, thing whatever I just stop doing it and do something else. A lot of those complain posts basicaly go in the direction of "I really like running but I dont like to sweat, we need to change so sport doesnt make you sweat".

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Zerber wrote:

Knowledge > everything in PoE.

So much this. There are reflex/reaction heavy games like Counter Strike or League of Legends/Dota where you would actually need to train for months to teach your muscle memory and become mechanically good at the game. Path of Exile is only about knowledge, and the amount of time to learn how to make like 50-100 ex per League is not unreasonable.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

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Foreverhappychan wrote:

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Zerber wrote:

Are you guys complaining actually aware that all the knowledge mathil and every other streamer or player which has like 100ex in 2 weeks has is freely available to you?

So's the internet, the greatest repository of information in the history of the world, and most people are still fucking idiots about most things. And most of those things are far, far more important than Po fucking E.

I was watching/listening to a think-tank round table a few years back, and they had a similar discussion. Essentially if you told some of the old world scientists, philosophers, inventors, that in the future everyone would have a small device at our fingertips, that could answer any questions, and provide information instantly, and we would instead use it for Candy Crush, and sending nudes, they wouldnt believe you.

Or maybe they would, given all we really know of those old farts is what they wrote down. And if we've learned anything from Internet 1.0, it's that people are REALLY good at bullshitting the world as to who they really are when it comes to writing.

I mean, I don't necessarily believe that Aristotle was a bugger for the bottle or that there was nothing Nietzsche couldn't teach ya about the raising of the wrist, or that Socrates himself was permanently pissed...but I do know that Nietzsche *loooved* himself some whoresex, Socrates fancied the lads and Aristotle...actually, he might have been a bugger for the bottle. These were not men immune to some pretty base pastimes and temptations.

We also know that the Romans had a *heap* of graffiti, a lot of it phallic and scatological, so I think once you reach past the official legacy of these all-time heavyweight thinkers, you'd find that most of them would happily send nudes and play Candy Crush when they're not thinking on a heavyweight level.

Here's an interesting quote for you that seems to fit:

"The opinion of 10000 men is of no value if none of them know anything about the subject."

This little nugget is attributed widely across the internet to Marcus Aurelius, but the fact that I can't find any proof that he actually said or wrote it both makes it kind of ironic -- the internet might know everything, but it has a fuck of a time figuring out if what it knows is a fact or just something that someone thinks should be.

I have only watched a Mathil stream once, and it was purely for my own ego. He was using my sword and said it 'wasn't bad'. After I cleaned myself up, I realised that life had nothing left for me that might rival that one rapturous moment of Ultimate Senpai Noticing.

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Zerber wrote:

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Foreverhappychan wrote:

And most of those things are far, far more important than Po fucking E.

It seems important enough for them to spam this forum with constant posts about that exact topic. I dont get that attitude, when I dont like a specific game, thing whatever I just stop doing it and do something else. A lot of those complain posts basicaly go in the direction of "I really like running but I dont like to sweat, we need to change so sport doesnt make you sweat".

Well here's what you might not 'get', young 'un: a lot of the people who can't let go (and at least as far as just being 'part' of the game's community is concerned, this includes me) once loved PoE very much. It was 'their game', and some point it stopped being that. I am sure when they first realised it, they tried to adjust. You don't just quit something you've done for years when it's been 'your thing' all that time. You try to make it work. After all, what's the alternative? Look for another game that might take years to really get the most out of? You already have one of those right here.

So when you see them posting their discontent, their unhappiness, their frustration, and finally their anger, what you're really seeing is grief. They are mourning 'their' PoE, and they know it's dead for them because if they had any real hope left they'd be posting in Feedback and Suggestions.

And please, stow that 'sweat' metaphor. Anyone who has played PoE long enough to really mourn their loss of it has sweated plenty. You run the risk of oversimplifying the situation when you try to create a binary between 'PoE' and 'games that are too easy'. There have been many versions of PoE over time, and none of them have been particularly easy compared to most other games.

There's nothing else out there like PoE, so when someone loses their connection to it, finding a replacement isn't easy at all. Sure, you can play other games and that's exactly what I recommend as soon as anyone feels like they're struggling to enjoy PoE, but PoE is one of the least fungible lifestyle games ever made. That's a big part of why people keep playing it despite the difficulty, despite the requirements just to stick with it (as you said, the information is all there -- but it takes time and effort to access it, parse it, and then process it into a functional playstyle).

And if you don't personally feel that, that's fine. You don't have to. When your time comes, and it will, you'll be able to walk away with ease. More power to ya. But it doesn't take a great reservoir of empathy to see why long-time players of PoE who then feel like it's changed too much to be the PoE they once loved might not be able to just quit. I actually think it's less human to be able to walk away from something that's consumed thousands of hours of your life, converting many of those hours into happiness despite being quite demanding as far as pastimes go, than to go through a period of adjustment.

I know some people who quit quite suddenly, both the game and this community, who still quietly lament their loss of PoE. Who still wonder where it went wrong for them. Who deny caring anymore but with the slightest prod can and will go off on a rant about GGG and PoE and all that because part of them will always be an Exile, just as we now say no one ever truly stops being an addict: they're a recovering addict, no matter how many years they've been clean.

Finally, when I said 'far more important than Po Fucking E', I meant to everyone and anyone. Not just Exiles. I mean there are people who don't know how to cook basic fucking meals even though the internet has a functionally endless amount of recipes for any skill level. People who can't spell and refuse to use an online dictionary to at least pretend they can. People who don't know the first thing about taxes or exercise or genetics or changing a tyre or how to make a decent cup of coffee and I'm sure we can all agree these are FAR more important than Po Fucking E AND you can find a fucktonne of resources on all of them on the internet.

So your entire response is kind of missing the point (just because the information is there doesn't mean people will use it), but that's okay. I went with it anyway, because it gave me a chance to talk about PoE not as a game but as a lifestyle choice. Which it absolutely fucking is. I laughed myself silly when Chris declared that Diablo Immortal isn't a game. The sheer lack of self-awareness (or brazen hubris, I can never tell these days) killed me. PoE isn't a game either. I play games. A lot. You don't 'play' PoE. You study it; what people call 'the game' is just a test. And as far as tests go, it's a ridiculously brutal and pointless one: you don't get anything for passing it because passing it just means you take it again. Similarly, you don't really get anything for failing it other than frustration and maybe motivation to do better next time.

It's a pointless test for players, but a seriously profitable stage for streamers. I think GGG really found their niche once they realised they didn't have to worry about players anymore. Much easier just to design the game for your star streamers and let the players grind on the shoulders of the very giants they're holding up.

Wow, that metaphor was almost as messy as PoE's relationship with balance. As good a place to stop as any.

Hm...Mathil. Mathilsomething. Yeah, I dunno. I got nothing. I always preferred ZiggyD's Effervescent Ocker approach to Mathil's anti-tallpoppy Australian shtick but it would seem I was in the minority there!

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Zerber wrote:

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Foreverhappychan wrote:

And most of those things are far, far more important than Po fucking E.

It seems important enough for them to spam this forum with constant posts about that exact topic. I dont get that attitude, when I dont like a specific game, thing whatever I just stop doing it and do something else. A lot of those complain posts basicaly go in the direction of "I really like running but I dont like to sweat, we need to change so sport doesnt make you sweat".

Ah yes, the sugar and rainbows forum ideal. Where if you dont like something, or have a negative viewpoint, just leave. Let the rest of the community bask in, and be warmed by, the light that is PoE.

Is that really what you want? A forum full of nothing but praise and back patting? I'd argue that some of the bitching and moaning from "negative attitude people" has lead to very good improvements. (SSF, QoL updates, Paid Leagues, Guilds, just to name a few).

That's where nuance comes into play. "I quit" threads are generally not accepted or percieved well. But "why I'm leaving PoE" just might be helpful feedback. I really think GGG should prefer to hear why their retention numbers are plummeting, rather than folks just quitting, and GGG having no idea why.

Nothing wrong with keeping GGG on their toes imo. (Respecting the CoC of course, and full knowledge that trolls exist)

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Foreverhappychan wrote:

After I cleaned myself up

Far too early in the AM for the laugh this generated.

Also, yeah, the hedonistic male thinkers of past certainly would be fodder for inevitable Freud jokes, and a great example of what men do when left to their own devices. So dont get me wrong there, but overall, I'm not tossing out the baby with the bath water terms of technology use just because a brilliant mind also had a thing for his sister.

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Zerber wrote:

Mathil plays the game super casual he just plays a lot.

19 pages in a thread created by a guy who does not know what the definition of casual is. Welcome to the internet.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

and we would instead use it for Candy Crush, and sending nudes, they wouldnt believe you.

They might not believe in the concept of a phone with internet access but if they did believe they would absolutely believe that people would use it for pointless shit.

Doesn't matter what era of history you go to there are morons and intellectuals both i'm confident the intellectuals were never surprised by what the rest of the humans got up to and frankly they engaged with it pretty often.

Edit: Happychan stole my Aristotle comparison I was gonna go for lmao but saves me time :p

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Ratedetar wrote:

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Zerber wrote:

Mathil plays the game super casual he just plays a lot.

19 pages in a thread created by a guy who does not know what the definition of casual is. Welcome to the internet.

I think it generated that much because people have a really big difference in the definition of casual.
For example I consider myself casual because :
I play only outside leagues (to progress)
Like 20h max a legue (and some i skip)
Often without optimizing my gear, as I have no idea what is what.
So I doubt a poe streamer has my level of causality.
But as I play since beta I still managed to have a lvl 89 ssf necro.