Using a build I extremly dislike as a "league starter" to get to what build I actually want to play?
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Why has this concept of a "league starter build" seemed to stick so much?
I wanted to play a bow build like the last time I played a while back when Bleed Bow Gladiator was amazing! It could do all of the games content, and I love to do it all. But now I have had to block pretty much every single type of game encounter except for a few because I literally cannot accomplish them. Unfortunately every guide and forum I read says that now a days bows suck and to play a different starter build until I get this special omniscience necklace which makes the bow builds playable and then I will be able to do content like Delve/Heist etc. Well, it turns out I need a special neck to have any sort of competitive build with tornado shot/lightning shot...pretty much any bow build that isn't slow dots and gimmicky totems, so I have been farming for this necklace to drop. My gameplay loop in Path Of Exile is this... Throw a white level 14-16 map into the map device, kill a few mobs until the searing exarch event encounter pops (from 5 -30 seconds) immediately portal out as rapidly as possible unless there is a harvest/expedition/ritual immediately visible, repeat until 14 maps then do the ice/fire boss for minimal drops, then do another 14 maps to get to a total of 28 maps searing exarch encounters, then do the searing exarch, die 95% of the time during the rolling fireball phase, kill him, get a shield/staff to drop, maybe an enchanting orb thingy, then leave and repeat. Then I run out of maps so I do the Crimson temple with scarabs hoping for a divination card to sell to buy the necklace (but they don't drop for me on my account either) in fact, nothing goo drops. EVER. So then after the Crimson Temples are done, I do the Expeditions and gamble with Gwennen for the hopes of getting one from the vendor, or something I can sell to buy the necklace, anything, but I never get anything from her either. So no necklace, no Gwennen drops, no div cards, and I have done about 100 Searing Exarchs, 1000 Gwennen gambles, hundreds of Crimson Temples...and ....nothing....I am still "stuck" playing a build I absolutely hate but have put over two weeks and multiple exalts into trying to move out of the "league starter" into something I do want to play after weeks now. I have saved up 15 Exalts, but I dare not spend anymore on a build I hate, because after only a few more weeks of farming and saving I can buy the necklace. I should have just sold all of the actual game content and been much closer to the necklace, but if I am selling the game content it's the Devils Deal because someone else is buying it from me, and getting loot from it that should have been mine. And the game content is basically the only thing making me not delete and uninstall at this point. This is perhaps the absolute worst game process I have experienced, and the only reason I still play is because Diablo Immortal looks like a steaming bag of hot garbage and there is nothing else to play. I am stuck, I have invested weeks now into this build, lots of time and exalts, weeks into farming for this single item to move away from the league starter build I hate, into the build I want to play, and I cant, no matter which direction I try, scouring and rolling belts, chancing every decent white drop, everything, ANYTHING, ancient orbs by the dozen, everything I can try to get out of the "league starter" i hate and play the actual build and I want to play, and play the actual game content I want to run. For new players and returning players, this absolutely sucks horribly and isn't anyone's measure of fun. Playing something you hate to have a small, whats the drop rate, 5% chance to play the build that is fun that you want to play? Who thought that was a good idea? Its not even a chase item for me, its a key out of this prison of garbage mechanic build. Its the key to play something that doesn't feel terrible every time I log in. I dread it, and the only thing keeping me going is "maybe the necklace will drop after another 28 maps...maybe...." I watch all of the streamers, all of the youtubers get so many great amazing items! Some of the streamers get the necklace to drop every 5-10 attempts! They are crafting using more orbs in a single craft than I could see in months, when a streamer tries to sell something it sells almost immediately for top pricing, they don't have to try and sell it at the lowest reduced price for days at a time! And here I am banging my head against the wall getting drops that don't even sell for 0.5 alchs. Over and over and over my drops are crap. I have gotten over 70 Divination Cards to drop in a single Crimson temple map with all the juice I could spare, clicking every searing exarch div card switch, and they are all garbage. All garbage. And yet I watch all of the streamers, every single one keeps getting AMAZING drops? Streamers are getting mirrors, mirror cards, they are getting headhunters, headhunter cards, you name it, it is dropping for the streamers like candy. I don't understand....how do the streamers and Youtubers all get these amazing drops, and me after weeks, weeks, weeks now I cant get a single item, not a single item to drop? It doesn't add up mathematically. Its mathematically impossible to have this bad of luck on drops. NOTHING DROPS? After weeks? Not a single gamble, not a single chance, not a single drop anywhere? No cards, no unique, nothing? NOTHING? Welp, time for me to bang my head against the wall after another 28 white maps as rapidly as possible to click the searing exach switch and leave the map with a build I hate waiting and hoping and praying for something, anything to drop to get me the hell out of this build. This has been my worst time playing this game after playing on and off casually for years now. Worst game play loop I have ever encountered. Last bumped on Jun 9, 2022, 9:31:59 AM
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Bro if you don’t like the game, quit.
Why are you running t14s-16s white? Alch and go is your friend. Why haven’t you respecced or leveled a new build? If you don’t like it, why are you playing? This smells troll-y to me. Also, Poe.ninja for what people are playing is your friend. If your gear requires a unique to get going, IT IS NOT A BUILD THAT IS A STARTER. Unless I’m misreading and you mean you’re trying to get it for another build? "Bonus points if it is Scion/Witch because they have nice knees. Ranger has ugly knees and other characters are men so playing them would be homoerotic." - CAKE, 10/20/21
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cost of omni today : 43 ex
cost of 100 searing exarch invitations today : 100 exalts my rudimentary math says: you played yourself. |
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" You just need to be like Tripolar Bear and fracture 100% global defenses then win a Headhunter and Mageblood. All in 30 minutes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8HMUVopytM Tripolar Bear uses Gwennen with the utmost skill. Do you? Don't forget, streamers have the same luck as you. Hmm, another person complaining about their build but their characters are hidden. Oh, boss rushing strats are very different from crimson temple strats. I think boss rushing is more consistent profit. 8 mod maps are the new alch and go. Last edited by zakalwe55#2432 on Jun 7, 2022, 9:05:56 PM
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You seem to have the wrong mindset because you are only relying on the big drops that require a lot of luck, but that's not a smart way to make currency. For example, instead of Gwennen you should do Tujen and his logbooks. It's a literal goldmine and steady income and absolutely no luck needed. I always earn about triple the amount I've paid for logbooks.
- Buy Black Scythe logbooks in bulk in the Forbiden Trove discord channel - Roll them yellow with mods that your character is able to complete - Roll more artifact drops/more explosives/explosive placement range/more chests with Blessed orbs - Focus on currency and artifact chests (shards, cards, heists are also worth considering) - After you have a solid pool of artifacts, buy some exotic coins and start haggling - Take everything that sells: Alts, Chromes, Regrets, Vaals, Fusings, Regals, Decks, Gemcutters, Ancients, Divines. - Sell in bulk - Steady income, no luck involved, no relying on the big drops |
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You've turned a game into a job... with no paycheck. Good move!
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OP ain't wrong about the grinding currency gateway to playing builds that look fun.
The game is now so heavily reliant on gear because that's the carrot at the end of an ever moving stick that GGG uses to keep players on the hamster wheel. It's also because the game is centred very heavily around trade, with those that excel at it tending to be the heaviest advocates for the game. It actually trivialises the game in most instances, as long as you can afford the best gear, there's little real challenge in the game. Back at the start of PoE I used to play multiple characters each league so I could try out all the creative ways to play the game. Nowadays I'll play one build because I'm not interested in spending my time doing something tedious in order to enjoy a different experience later. That's like saying you can ride the Ferris Wheel at Disneyland, but only after you spend 30 days picking up rubbish around the park first. I've considered certain short cut options that would allow me to quickly and easily purchase the gear I needed to run a specific build, but that's also not very appealing to me so I simply play less and no longer support the game financially like I used to do. It's GGG's party though and they set the house rules. It's a popular design for some players and very unpopular for other players and GGG know this. So they've made their design decisions are executing them accordingly. Doesn't mean we can't disagree and challenge the status quo, advocating for a different direction. GGG seems to think they are successful because they generate X revenue and hit strong peak player numbers on league launch. The problem with that approach is that it ignores the huge number of players that try a league and then go away. If GGG adjusted it's approach it's possible they could find that what they consider a peak, is actually a quarter of what is possible if they simply implemented some better design approaches. |
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" See this right here is why you can NEVER trust 100% what you hear from this community or even streamers. I say this because I love bow builds as well, and I also kept reading that without omni any bow build is a meme. Not true. I league started tornado shot deadeye, and went regular trinity support with just a self crafted elemental bow. Went essence ofc on the atlas so I could craft as much as I wanted. I was able to get all the way to corrupted T16's and regular (non uber uber) bosses, just selling anything not specifically for my build. If I remember my PoB right, with a cheap dying sun up I had about 6m dps (like 1m and change per arrow). More then enough for most of the game and map farming. My whole plan was omni as well, until I learned that the dex stack mod can appear on boots with the new league. Started buying bit by bit dex stack stuff (as well as the boots with just the mod and crap rolls, used my own beast split then eldritch slams ect) and the build just got better. Anyway just wanted to say specifically with bows, just going 2 or 3 elements and trinity with self crafted essence bows as a deadeye TS will get you very far. No need for omni or even dex stack or anything until you've played and farmed enough to switch. |
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" And this is where you fucked up already. Listen man, stop with the crap about streamer-RNG - they get the good drops because they play a lot and can afford the losses, and showing stratetic gameplay by selling stuff is not generating views, so they go for the big gambles to have something to show their audience. I am not a streamer. I am not a full-time gamer, I have a 9-5 (actually 9-6 even) working day. I´ve not taken a single day off of work for this season. like... It´s not hard to make money and actually, the strategy you´re doing is pretty viable - unless you throw the hard-earned money you make into the garbage disposal. Bossing in this game is pretty profitable, but you need to be able to compensate for missing-luck-streaks. Let´s assume the droprate of Omni and Ashes is about 2% (which makes sense in accordance to price of the invitations vs. price of the item), that would mean you drop 1 out of 50 runs. But that´s not accounting for - variance - juice (yes, running it in 4-man rotations with height of hubris generates LOTS more loot than running it blue or with like 40 quant) - and yes, a bit of luck So why aren´t you going for the guaranteed money? And if you get bored of chaining maps, do some other profitable stuff. - Heist - Delve - Legion - Breach - Essences - Deli-Maps - Simulacrum - many others I went into bossing a bit last league and did a few runs this league as well, but when I went for farming maven I did not run 10 and wondered why my luck was, I bought 50 straight up to make up for potential bad streaks. You need to understand that your gameplay-loop is setting you up for failure. You could have had Omni for a long time if you would have been smart about it. |
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