[Serious] Please reconsider bossfights required for voidstones next league

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exsea wrote:

as it stands less than 1% poe population has actually cleared maven (based on steam achievements)

This is probably the worst source you could cite.

Everyone who ever installed the game is counting towards those numbers even plenty of those players dropped out years ago. Unfortunately this means the playerpool is inflated like crazy.

I wish steam would remove players that didnt even bother to login once in the past 6 or 12 month so those numbers would be way more accurate. Steam doesnt do that tho and also doesnt offer an option to filter those accounts out.


If normal F2P drop off rates apply to PoE then I wouldnt be surprised if 80-90% of the accounts counting towards the achievements have been inactive for months if not years.

10-15% capabale of clearing Maven would be a more accurate number I think but I cant back it up at all.

Current requirements are fine.

Both Maven and U.Elder are dynamic fights and milestones that should be meet if you want their rewards, which are mostly convenience and not required for your atlas.

Have someone carry you, which there are several people who are happy to do it for a fee (or even free sometimes) if you're desperate.

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AdRonZh3Ro wrote:

Current requirements are fine.

Both Maven and U.Elder are dynamic fights and milestones that should be meet if you want their rewards, which are mostly convenience and not required for your atlas.

Have someone carry you, which there are several people who are happy to do it for a fee (or even free sometimes) if you're desperate.

Elder should come before Uber Elder, Did we just drop the whole normal THEN uber system? seems like it.

GGG discarded a great foundational system in which new players are pitted against weaker normal versions of bosses to learn their mechanics and stand a small chance of some drops as well as some story related guaranteed drops to help them progress in the atlas.

They are THEN supposed to go on and fight the Uber versions where ceartain loot is much more common and some items even can not be obtained via the "normal" version of the boss.

Elder does come before uber elder, i don't understand your statement :p

are you saying there should be a normal maven? They dropped the iterative design with Sirus and went to the tried and true methodology of introductory phases to teach you mechanics.

Sirus and Maven are both "normal" before their last phase then its Uber essentially, you just don't get any loot for getting the normal part done

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SilentSymphony wrote:

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AdRonZh3Ro wrote:

Current requirements are fine.

Both Maven and U.Elder are dynamic fights and milestones that should be meet if you want their rewards, which are mostly convenience and not required for your atlas.

Have someone carry you, which there are several people who are happy to do it for a fee (or even free sometimes) if you're desperate.

Elder should come before Uber Elder, Did we just drop the whole normal THEN uber system? seems like it.

GGG discarded a great foundational system in which new players are pitted against weaker normal versions of bosses to learn their mechanics and stand a small chance of some drops as well as some story related guaranteed drops to help them progress in the atlas.

They are THEN supposed to go on and fight the Uber versions where ceartain loot is much more common and some items even can not be obtained via the "normal" version of the boss.

So, how do you do U.Elder without doing elder and shaper guardians, and then shaper and elder, and THEN U.Elder?

GGG didn't discard anything. And if you say divination cards, players are the ones abusing the system.

Also, you can literally type "poe budget" and hundreds of builds that are viable to kill any boss pop up with as low as 1 ex budget. GGG are giving players ways to farm currency on literally any mechanics you want, and if you want to do it "your way", be ready to learn that PoE is not lenient with unlearnt lessons.

And more importantly, if you played conquerors of the Atlas originally, Sirus didn't had a weaker version, he had less HP based off of awakener levels, but either you killed him, or you didn't. Same thing with Maven since her release, either you kill her or you don't.

This sentiment that PoE should be dumbed down so noobs can achieve everything is ridiculous and egregious to the game itself. More than ever GGG is giving players every tool they need to farm everything they need. Hell, there's a vast part of the community that thinks the Atlas Passive Tree is way too rewarding.

It's a game about GRINDING for f sake. Learn the game properly, put the time in that the game developers require you to by design mind you, and after you do so, THEN complain that something is broken or is too hard.

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Chickenwink wrote:

It's this new age of gamers. I dont know when this happened...please someone tell me when this happened!!!!???

They are just so entitled to everything and dont ever want to be challenged. So instead of looking inward, asking themselves, "hey how can I improve?" or "what could I do differently to beat this boss?". They immediately go on the offensive since mommy always told them they were perfect, so it must be everything else that is the problem.

The recent Elden Ring has seen this kind of behavior and hot takes from these entitled little cry babies and it's such a joke. I don't want companies to cave to this sort of behavior letting them know its okay to act like this.

You want all the maps to be t16? Then grow/learn and beat the bosses.

Or if you're trade and just cant handle killing them. Buy the damn completion.

I don't think this is entitlement. I also have been around for several versions of the atlas, and up until now the worst part of completion was vaal'd corrupted shaper guardians for atlas completion. Ok, getting all the voidstones when they were first introduced was irritating too, but most of that was rng.

I could "pay" for someone to do it, but then I didn't really complete the challenge. But that is also one crazy expensive fight to fail (which I have once).

We've gone from having to specifically manipulate the atlas to pop a boss fight to an endurance run of maps for fragments/invitation or pay a hefty fee.

I'm not exactly fond of having to invest over an ex per run to learn a fight, let alone expect a return to likely be below the entry fee.

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SilentSymphony wrote:

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AdRonZh3Ro wrote:

Current requirements are fine.

Both Maven and U.Elder are dynamic fights and milestones that should be meet if you want their rewards, which are mostly convenience and not required for your atlas.

Have someone carry you, which there are several people who are happy to do it for a fee (or even free sometimes) if you're desperate.

Elder should come before Uber Elder, Did we just drop the whole normal THEN uber system? seems like it.

GGG discarded a great foundational system in which new players are pitted against weaker normal versions of bosses to learn their mechanics and stand a small chance of some drops as well as some story related guaranteed drops to help them progress in the atlas.

They are THEN supposed to go on and fight the Uber versions where ceartain loot is much more common and some items even can not be obtained via the "normal" version of the boss.

I think people forgot that we used to see elder A LOT sooner, like maybe even t5 whites?

The thing these folks aren't understanding (or forgetting) is that we had a more natural progression (although i think eradicator was always worse than elder himself). For example, to get my avoid avalanche, I ended up just dying before it went off because trying to micromanage when to push phase based on positioning is pretty tough when you do indirect damage.

In comparison I did my avoid rolling magma one first try first time I saw the boss.

The balancing definitely feels off between the new baddies, but build is definitely a factor too.

I definitely support the thread title, which does not mean I think all four voidstones should be easy.

Most builds can do the first two on weak gear, that gives almost 1/3 of maps at T16. That Uber Elder and Maven are so massively harder feels off. As some have at least implied, Elder for third and Uber Elder for fourth?

Point being, spend some time considering which four bosses give voidstones next league.

I think it's stupid but they gotta gate the loot somehow or league will die even faster than it already does. Play meta, rape those bosses then switch up to your esoteric build. I think the aspirational bosses are lame AF compared to like triple beyond/deli maps but they got valuable drops like woke gems, etc so they gate them behind really broke builds they have not nerfed yet or really expensive builds to keep you playing. Don't be played. Play meta.

Just be lucky it's not the feared to get fourth. There you need broke build and good gear.

You have access to more T16 maps with 2 voidstones than you did with full watchstones before. The 2 extra is just bonus to make all maps T16. It is 100% fine that they are behind challenging content.