[Serious] Please reconsider bossfights required for voidstones next league

leveled 2 chars to 90+ this league cause i got some time in quarantine, both fail hard at the eater challenge cause the magma balls either kill the squishy but fast ranger or the more sturdy but slow golemancer.

the exarch challenge stone didn't even drop.

did maven with the golemancer but got the shaper stone by some kind soul sharing it for free, would have failed it myself probably.

if you start late in the league there is no chance you get the currency to improve your gear to the level to beat endgame.

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Chickenwink wrote:

It's this new age of gamers. I dont know when this happened...please someone tell me when this happened!!!!???

They are just so entitled to everything and dont ever want to be challenged. So instead of looking inward, asking themselves, "hey how can I improve?" or "what could I do differently to beat this boss?". They immediately go on the offensive since mommy always told them they were perfect, so it must be everything else that is the problem.

The recent Elden Ring has seen this kind of behavior and hot takes from these entitled little cry babies and it's such a joke. I don't want companies to cave to this sort of behavior letting them know its okay to act like this.

You want all the maps to be t16? Then grow/learn and beat the bosses.

Or if you're trade and just cant handle killing them. Buy the damn completion.

Agree that game developers have been making increasingly casual games because they don't think it will sell to the most people, there's lots of other reasons one large one being the increase in graphical demands and processing power as well as internet but that aside you can see the evolution of The Elder Scrolls game series very clearly indicate this trend from Daggerfall > Morriwind > Oblivion > Skyrim > and i have a feeling Redfall is going to be a disaster.

Disagree that wanting uber-elder to come after a normal elder is the wrong way to go here, the game has always presented normal bosses and then > uber tier bosses which are intended for end-game, the initial fight is for you to overcome and train you for the basic mechanics of the real fight to come where the majority of good loot is to be found(for endgame players)

make uber versions GGG, let your casuals learn the game, make empowered watchstones for the uber versions, I would like the loop to make sense again from new player > experienced player not new player > never player.

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vio wrote:

if you start late in the league there is no chance you get the currency to improve your gear to the level to beat endgame.

Yeah isn't that so bad coming in late, plenty of stuff on the market but nobody is actually selling it because the listings were from a month ago when a chaos mattered to them etc etc on down the line, that particular burnout has been hurting my retention a lot.

I would like if they removed Maven from the requirement since I physically can't get through the memory phase, though Uber Elder isn't really a problem, curious how you came to the conclusion that UElder is a dps check?

Besides, the atlas is just fine with Eater & Exarch stones, more than 3rd of your Atlas are T16 and it's not hard to sustain them, in fact you'll likely oversustain.

This is an interesting one. I understand the git gud's but simultaneously many players that say you didn't put the effort in will have played meta build X which requires fuck all work to do everything. That kinda undermines the effort quotient being suggested.

However some players do expect that everything should be achievable and easy for most players which clearly isn't the game design. I already think the story version of eater/exarch are surprisingly easy for their rewards and 2 stones is a reasonable level of power.

I kinda like it how it is, I get some power but I have to do a real build and develop it properly to get all the power.

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Chickenwink wrote:

No.
Your off meta build needs work, this is the games way of telling you that.
If you’re trade league you can make anything work with enough currency. If you don’t wanna do that just buy the completions.

Oh look, another person who thinks all build problems can be solved by throwing currency on a pyre.

i can smell a small l2p issue from the topic creator

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funplayer wrote:

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Oh look, another person who thinks all build problems can be solved by throwing currency on a pyre.

It can if you know how to build the pyre.

what the guy above said

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i can smell a small l2p issue from the topic creator

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Chickenwink wrote:

It's this new age of gamers. I dont know when this happened...please someone tell me when this happened!!!!???

They are just so entitled to everything and dont ever want to be challenged. So instead of looking inward, asking themselves, "hey how can I improve?" or "what could I do differently to beat this boss?". They immediately go on the offensive since mommy always told them they were perfect, so it must be everything else that is the problem.

The recent Elden Ring has seen this kind of behavior and hot takes from these entitled little cry babies and it's such a joke. I don't want companies to cave to this sort of behavior letting them know its okay to act like this.

You want all the maps to be t16? Then grow/learn and beat the bosses.

Or if you're trade and just cant handle killing them. Buy the damn completion.

on one hand "if you cant complete it you dont deserve the rewards"
on another hand "if you really want it, buy a carry"


lols

ok let me put it to you this way. elden ring is tough as nails but you can GIT GUD. you can GIT GUD so much that you can go do the bosses naked if you're really up for a challenge, would take long but you theoretically could take the bosses down.

for the first 2 watchstones, as long as you have decent defenses, if you UNDERSTAND how to fight the boss, you can kill the boss.

for the last 2, understanding is not enough. you need DPS. tons of it. unless youre a god like player who has godlike reflexes if your dps is a little, you simply cant complete those encounters. simple as that.

why? what makes these 2 different from the first 2? DOT cancer area of denial blobs. they appear on the floor. the longer you take, the harder the encounter becomes.

GIT GUD is not enough. thank you for bringing up elden ring as its a perfect example of how bosses can be difficult but can be doable. these 2 encounters are gear checks. also to an extent skill check.

if you're using a melee strike skill fighting maven. her last phase will give you a bad time.

whats next, are you going to tell me not to play melee strike skills?

literally no one is asking for a free mageblood. i wouldnt mind if someone gave one to me but i m not asking for it.

NO ONE is asking for free items. instead we want a more balanced boss fight that CAN BE DONE by "GIT GUD" standards. not a dumb ass dps rush.

in fact, i would say all of maven's invites are dumb. theyre ALL dps rushes.

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exsea wrote:

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on one hand "if you cant complete it you dont deserve the rewards"
on another hand "if you really want it, buy a carry"

Not what im saying.

Its either:
1) git gud. Which is what you should do.
2) If you're on trade and fail at gud, git trade.
3) If you cant/wont do either deal with it, or git uninstall.

You literally have a system IN trade,>>>trade<<< to save you from not gitting gud.

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for the first 2 watchstones, as long as you have decent defenses, if you UNDERSTAND how to fight the boss, you can kill the boss.

for the last 2, understanding is not enough.

Yes it is Steelmage has Zdpsed the maven since it was released. And if you can do maven you can do UE lol....

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why? what makes these 2 different from the first 2? DOT cancer area of denial blobs. they appear on the floor. the longer you take, the harder the encounter becomes.

Looks like someone doesn't know how to do the fights 🤣🤣🤣

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lols

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GIT GUD is not enough.

Unfortunately for all of your points yes it is.

Also how many t16 map variation you think there was before this league? I can tell you it was less than the two watch-stones currently.
Where were you guys then?

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lols

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Chickenwink wrote:

Yes it is Steelmage has Zdpsed the maven since it was released. And if you can do maven you can do UE lol....

lol wow. you're gonna use steel mage as a benchmark? laugh all you want.

as it stands less than 1% poe population has actually cleared maven (based on steam achievements)

and yeah if u can clear maven, UE+Shaper should be quite easy by then.

another person posited that clearing maven is doable with 2 mil dps.

i imagine it must be fun to try this challenge using 2hander heavy strike