How to NOT be THAT trading <person>

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R3cKiTT wrote:

Its worse for the buyer. How many times do players ask to trade and get no response.

To sit through asking 10-20 people to trade and wait a while will take minimum 5 minutes just for that. spam it and it takes 5 seconds.

If all players are selling something. I don't care if its even 1c. you invite that players immediately or politely ask them to hold a sec till you can. And if you absolutely cant do either, then just leave it.

This is true, and it's why PoE's trade "system" is absolutely terrible.

In an effort to create some friction in the trade process, GGG has implemented an inherently toxic and maddening system. It's bad for the sellers, and worse for the buyers.

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Lachdanan wrote:

Well, you´re the one who wanted to discuss other means of trading.
Don´t complain about me communicating to you that those are unlikely to fit the productionline.

To summarize:
1) i fail those because i only whisper one person and wait a minute
virtual items aren´t really Just-in-time deals.
2) That sounds complicated to argue with 10 people about a chaos
3) or the second person, maybe he has a more original name.
4) unlikely to happen if you trade with a mass broker who tries to maximise his income at the end of a league
5) Why didn´t you tell that to number 10 ?

Like mentioned, direct marketing is complicated,
you don´t have to stop communication once you receive what you want,
the goal of this direct marketing is to create bonds, map together maybe even chat together.
The main problem are bots that prefere quick movement of goods and humans that think they cant map it without someone elses orbs.

Let me communicate it to you once more, different system different up/downsides.

I never suggested "alternate means" of trading. If you re-read the introduction post, it's about communication, not economy. It's about communication, not intricacies of marketing. While your point of view is valid in terms of marketing, this is not the argument that is on the table.

If you re-read how I used your initial response in my subsequent post, I used it for an example of communication. Hopefully you can see my point here.

Thanks,
-Seebeu

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The intent of the original post is to shed light on good, courteous practice when trading. Until, someday, GGG invents an auction house or other means of trading, I suppose things like this will continue.

They will continue,
some people might not be good at pushing a trolley.
Some peoples way to communicate might work in miraculous ways.

You assume each and every person uses the underlying system the same way, i disagree and provide suggestions that there might be different kinds of humans.

I encourage you to come up with suggestions:
-A school to teach new players how to trade
-A seperate school to teach bankers how to make quick bucks without not talking
-I´m pretty much out of ideas here mostly because thats what we have because there are different kinds of expectations about what the system should provide.
Auctionhouse stands for no communication at all, and i would say it is already pretty close to one. Maybe i should stop talkin.

Yeah, a quick rundown on trading etiquette would help a small portion of the player base. While the OP mentioned waiting 30 seconds, that may be a bit drastic unless it's some niche rare item. Generally a /whois right after I whisper someone is 90% of the time going to tell me whether or not I'm getting an invite. Least then as a buyer you can see what the seller is doing. AFK in hideout? In the Alluring Abyss? That kind of thing.

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Seebeu wrote:

I never suggested "alternate means" of trading. If you re-read the introduction post, it's about communication, not economy. It's about communication, not intricacies of marketing. While your point of view is valid in terms of marketing, this is not the argument that is on the table.

If you re-read how I used your initial response in my subsequent post, I used it for an example of communication. Hopefully you can see my point here.

Thanks,
-Seebeu

To be fair to the other guy, i dont think your point can be (completely) detached from the "economy" aspect of the game

I mean, price fixers are a big part of why many players decide to spam messages to tons of people in the first place: You kinda expect by default the cheaper offers to be people who does not want to respond, but you also dont want to miss the chance the offer is legit, but by spamming you incurr the risk of accepting invites of people you dont want to trade with anymore because you completed the trade with another guy and did not noticed the invite comes from the previous session of spam(tends to happen when you are chasing more than one item and spam to multiple on each item)

Generally speaking, people around the world have vastly different views of what is a ettiquete creach or not, i for one does not mind losing a single portal, since someone actually accepting the invite and then declining the trade is not that common for me, but maybe im just lucky(or more likely, i just dont have good stuff on sale XP)

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feike wrote:

To be fair to the other guy, i dont think your point can be (completely) detached from the "economy" aspect of the game

I mean, price fixers are a big part of why many players decide to spam messages to tons of people in the first place: You kinda expect by default the cheaper offers to be people who does not want to respond, but you also dont want to miss the chance the offer is legit, but by spamming you incurr the risk of accepting invites of people you dont want to trade with anymore because you completed the trade with another guy and did not noticed the invite comes from the previous session of spam(tends to happen when you are chasing more than one item and spam to multiple on each item)

Generally speaking, people around the world have vastly different views of what is a ettiquete creach or not, i for one does not mind losing a single portal, since someone actually accepting the invite and then declining the trade is not that common for me, but maybe im just lucky(or more likely, i just dont have good stuff on sale XP)

+1

The thing is, many leave the party after they're in your hideout, but they still wait for you to trade them. They don't leave the party intentionally, they simply get invited by another seller and they click "Accept" because the popup looks the same with the "Trade" popup they were waiting from you.

I thought leaving party was a measure of good faith because then they were showing they could not possibly run into your map portal and f*** up your seeded content, pick up items, etc.

SILLY ME

It happens enough that I'm willing to believe it's a byproduct of spamming trade reqs and not actually a courtesy thing.

I just have their info up already, so before they are greyed out completely I can snag a trade window off them.

Would like it if we could set a non-AFK auto reply with a user-defined time limit. Say, for the next hour we want to do 5-ways or sims. instead of going full DND and missing out on all messages, we would still see messages but the senders would receive a response we wouldn't have to stop and type it out every time "This player is busy atm, please try again in X minutes". And if we were still doing stuff when X minutes rolled by, we could hotkey refresh the message for another 10-20-30-60 minutes.

It's not fun being on "hold" but at least it's better than being totally ignored, or for the recipient having to stop every time and type out "hey i'm busy can u wait a few?"

You could even let the player construct their own auto response (within limits, because I could see people abusing tf out of this)

Even a /setafk that ignores player inputs but lets you see incoming PMs would be more honest than just unlisting your sales tab, going /dnd, or radio silence.

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When asking for trade, BE PATIENT, give it at least 30 seconds for that person to respond. The player may be in Delve, Heist, or in a difficult map when you sent that request. I have literally sent an invite 5 seconds after a request to only have it insta-declined. You do that to me, and you will be added to my ever-growing list of ignored names.

Most content creators promote using Awakened PoE trade and messaging down the list as fast as possible. If you aren't in hideout there is no point in accepting.

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Seebeu wrote:

When asking for trade, BE PATIENT, give it at least 30 seconds for that person to respond.

I hope you aren't referring to commonly available things available from umteen other sellers. Hell no I aint waiting 30 seconds. I've already whispered 5 other sellers in 30 seconds, AT LEAST.

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Seebeu wrote:

I have literally sent an invite 5 seconds after a request to only have it insta-declined. You do that to me, and you will be added to my ever-growing list of ignored names.

uh oh lol. Life is too short to get butt hurt over a system you aren't in control of. Be mad at GGG, not the player base.

I do agree to wait a couple seconds. It's pretty bizzare to invite someone within .5 seconds and they decline. Like...sorry I didn't invite instantly wtf. But 30 seconds? haha no. You aren't special.
Also...why sign every forum post?

It's almost like this game would benefit from some type of automated trading system.