Unfair to standard players

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aggromagnet wrote:

But if you look at what's still available without doing Uber/Maven, nothing has really been lost besides being able to feel like you've "finished" the Atlas. As others have mentioned, there are actually more T16 maps available now with only 2 Voidstones than there were with all Watchstones. Being able to transform the entire Atlas to T16 is brand new. Couldn't do that before.

Gating easier maps behind harder deep endgame content was still a weird choice, for sure. Really though, it's just one of those things that feels worse than it actually is. It was just poorly implemented in some ways, IMO. It seems like there's less when in reality there's more. It is more punishing to fully complete the Atlas now, but it's also not necessary to.

Have to disagree with you there. With the old system, going back 2 leagues not only did you have more maps, with all watchstones they were all T14 or higher. With only 2 voidstones the tier level goes down to T8 making those maps useless.

Anyway small update on my personal situation. Today there was someone in the party list offering a boss carry service. He said he could do maven. Used my writ and in we went. To cut o long story short he kept dying then when all portals closed he went off line so no voidstone or writ. Didn’t fancy running all those maps again to get another writ so brought one. Chatting to the seller he offered to kill maven for me which he did using his own writ rather than the one I had just brought and didn’t even charge a carry fee, Very very kind of him so now have 3 voidstones.
But do I feel happy?
Sadly no. To feel that I had to buy a writ and then get a carry left a bad taste in my mouth. Feels like I have cheated and achieved nothing. Has greatly diminished my desire to play.

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AnyNick wrote:

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aggromagnet wrote:

But if you look at what's still available without doing Uber/Maven, nothing has really been lost besides being able to feel like you've "finished" the Atlas. As others have mentioned, there are actually more T16 maps available now with only 2 Voidstones than there were with all Watchstones. Being able to transform the entire Atlas to T16 is brand new. Couldn't do that before.

Gating easier maps behind harder deep endgame content was still a weird choice, for sure. Really though, it's just one of those things that feels worse than it actually is. It was just poorly implemented in some ways, IMO. It seems like there's less when in reality there's more. It is more punishing to fully complete the Atlas now, but it's also not necessary to.

Have to disagree with you there. With the old system, going back 2 leagues not only did you have more maps, with all watchstones they were all T14 or higher. With only 2 voidstones the tier level goes down to T8 making those maps useless.

I was only talking about the T16 maps that are available though. There are like 40+ regular T16's with only 2 Voidstones, compared with 25ish for having all Watchstones.

The drop pool would be a bit muddied by having those lower tier maps present now, but there are still a lot more T16 maps than before. And with map sustain being overall better in recent leagues, especially with the new options of duplicating drops, I can't imagine having any trouble sustaining T14+ maps with only 2 Voidstones.

Like I said, it's one of those things that feels worse than it actually is. The only real loss for those who can't do all the deep endgame content is having less Favored Map options. Other than that, anyone who can handle T16 should be able to handle getting 2 Voidstones, and that's pretty comparable overall to having full Watchstones.

It's just presented in a way that maybe feels like being cheated or punished, since you're not "finished" until you can do the harder stuff or get carried.

@AnyNick: you didn't HAVE to do any of that...you CHOSE to pay for a carry. You CHOSE to buy a writ. No one forced you into doing that. You could...idk...play the game and create a character that CAN kill maven.

Smh

**complaining about mapping taking too long to get a writ, so bought a writ and carry service, got the third voidstone, then complaining and feeling bad because you didn't actually play the game. What's the point of even getting the 3rd voidstone if you clearly don't like mapping anyway?

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

you run a map. i rly dont get it, whats the issue? if you dont want to run a map why are you even loading the game? why would you need an atlas unlocked if you are not going to run a map?

if someone doesnt want their entire atlas unlocked, if they consider a full unlock somehow bricked and want to only unlock specific maps they can never do that again if they have at one point fully unlocked an atlas. this way is much better.


youre saying why do standard players need to run a map if they want to run maps. is that really the level of complaint we are at now?


you need about 1 or 2 million dps to comfortably beat uber elder and maven. if you cant beat them you dont deserve or need the voidstones from the encounters.

you need to run a map? we need to run a previous league map. do you know how many times i have to tell a guildie and teach them on how to "REUNLOCK" the atlas?

this is really unnecessary. i cant understand why you would just accept inconveniences that should be fixed on a fundamental level. did we need doors to automatically open in incursions? nope, but we were damn happy to have it.

to make things worst, players are not given sufficient info on what to do on an atlas reset by default.

as for 1/2 million dps for shaper/elder and maven. you seem like a good POE player. please show me how you can do it using 2 million dps heavy strike 2hander. i ll wait.

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exsea wrote:

as for 1/2 million dps for shaper/elder and maven. you seem like a good POE player. please show me how you can do it using 2 million dps heavy strike 2hander. i ll wait.

you hit the boss, and then you avoid the things that kill you. repeat until you win
its pretty rudimentary

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jewdas12 wrote:

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exsea wrote:

as for 1/2 million dps for shaper/elder and maven. you seem like a good POE player. please show me how you can do it using 2 million dps heavy strike 2hander. i ll wait.

you hit the boss, and then you avoid the things that kill you. repeat until you win
its pretty rudimentary

talk is real cheap

2mil heavy strike isn't that bad if your weapons good enough, you can actually stun all the endgame bosses with those values which makes uptime much better than people think it is. But it does involve playing heavy strike lol

As to OP it is unfair, there honestly isn't anything to discuss standard is an after thought that gets washed away every 3 months by the league changes despite it being a "static" mode.

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exsea wrote:

as for 1/2 million dps for shaper/elder and maven. you seem like a good POE player. please show me how you can do it using 2 million dps heavy strike 2hander. i ll wait.

funny how every player that cant be maven or other endgame bosses is always using heavy strike

this kind of hyperbole is the reason threads like this wont ever lead to anything
ppl that use these often dont want and/or accept help even when its presented in a rather good way

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ciel289 wrote:

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exsea wrote:

as for 1/2 million dps for shaper/elder and maven. you seem like a good POE player. please show me how you can do it using 2 million dps heavy strike 2hander. i ll wait.

funny how every player that cant be maven or other endgame bosses is always using heavy strike

this kind of hyperbole is the reason threads like this wont ever lead to anything
ppl that use these often dont want and/or accept help even when its presented in a rather good way

lol do you realize why people use heavy strike as a benchmark?

its to highlight how different builds are vastly superior over others.

unfortunately a lot of people are like you and just see it at surface level.

2 million dps heavy strike maven/ elder+shaper kill. still waiting for someone to show me how its done.

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exsea wrote:

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ciel289 wrote:

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exsea wrote:

as for 1/2 million dps for shaper/elder and maven. you seem like a good POE player. please show me how you can do it using 2 million dps heavy strike 2hander. i ll wait.

funny how every player that cant be maven or other endgame bosses is always using heavy strike

this kind of hyperbole is the reason threads like this wont ever lead to anything
ppl that use these often dont want and/or accept help even when its presented in a rather good way

lol do you realize why people use heavy strike as a benchmark?

its to highlight how different builds are vastly superior over others.

unfortunately a lot of people are like you and just see it at surface level.

2 million dps heavy strike maven/ elder+shaper kill. still waiting for someone to show me how its done.

i´m fully aware why ppl use heavy strike,its still a dumb thing to do

there will always be power differences in skills that are mechanical uneven
this simply cant be avoided

this means there will awlays be good and bad skills
you should never balance around the "worst" or atleast mechanical worst skill possible
this would lead to making the whole game a complete joke for every other skill

a good geared heavy strike build will still beat endgame bosses when the player has enough gear+skill
a bad player needs more gear

there are videos with heavy strike bosskills on youtube

another thing is that you can swap out heavy strike for a lot of other skills without changing gear or the passiv tree

or

you can support heavy strike with ancetral totems etc

if you or the player you are talking about still insists on using only heavy strike while lacking gear and/or skill
its the players problem

creating a failsafe for the worst possible choices kills every game over time,it makes the game boringbecause you gona win/kill the boss anyway