Convince me Stash tab "MTX" is not pay to win
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" Thank you for the clarification and correction. I do recall that they started dipping towards 'free' stashes for certain of Delve's mechanics but it still came with a paid one, so I was unaware that they'd gone further down that track. That's good. I was wrong there. I won't change it but I will add your clarification to my post. As for 'obsessed with collecting junk' I'd posit that's a large part of PoE and ARPGs in general. Earlier ARPGs tapped the gambling urge in most of us; later ones realised we were also hoarders of our hard-earned junk. And then PoE completed the unholy trinity by throwing in a trade system that, while incomplete, still refers to your stash, your hoard, directly. So if your desire is to hoard, then absolutely there's an advantage to it. If it is to trade, the same. If it is to gamble, the same -- GGG brilliantly and quite insidiously made crafting itself gambling (building on the sort of shit we saw in earlier games like enchanting in Torchlight, safety items in D2), which I still find utterly silly but I've already said my piece on that front. Somewhere. On. Here... Still, if you just 'want to play the game comfortably' each league with one or two main characters with no regard for aesthetics and start over each league, then yeah, $60 should cut it. Maybe a bit more if something specific comes out. But we have to acknowledge that isn't the sort of player we're really talking about here. Not the 'supporter' Not the perceived, committed 'Exile'. A person who just wants to play comfortably with no real regard for mtxes isn't going bother with a Battle Pass, are they? And yet there it is, in all its depressing glory. Calibrated to make GGG a lot of money. Maybe not a truckload, but enough that if you set it on fire, it'd keep your toes warm for a while. LOL at people calling ChzBoi out -- he has spoken at length in the past that he plays this game in an unusually...fundamental way. Unsurprisingly, no apology or acknowledgment of being wrong. Strange how people are loath to own their errors on the internet where pride is of so little value and arguments go nowhere, and yet in real life some of us do it just when we bump into someone entirely by accident. Repercussions matter, eh kids? " No, I literally wrote...that many words!?...as a haphazard mess of half-thoughts and after-the-fact edits on this subject. There is no introduction, no body and no conclusion. What I wrote absolutely does not qualify as an 'essay', ese. If I like a game, it'll either be amazing later or awful forever. There's no in-between. I am Path of Exile's biggest whale. Period. Last edited by Foreverhappychan#4626 on Mar 7, 2022, 7:07:47 AM
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Absolutely NOT p2win.
Its just pay to get quality of life. I've played lots of private servers lineage 2. And there u get real pay to win systems. You are literaly paying there to get super weapons with wich u destroy in pvp the oponents easy as candy. That is the definition of pay to win. |
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" The game is not an opinion, it doesn't exist in opinion-land, and how it works and what happens from it, is not an opinion. You can form any opinion that you like, or feel comfortable believing. But that is not going to pass as a valid anything. Like you're running a rationalize.exe in your mind without really checking each point - and by the end, you glance back and it makes total sense to you. "if it is P2W, it's in such a small degree that it doesn't really matter" - How did you come up with this? Are you talking about someone who plays for just 2 days after buying a stash tab and quits forever?? Lmao, sure, for that 1 in every 1000 person, yeah stash tabs didn't do much. Many people in this game, including myself, spent SEVERAL THOUSAND hours already. You're not comprehending the time scale, and the time save and efficiency stonks a buyer gets from that service, the SOONER they buy it. Since you did accept the point that it is P2W "in the tiniest way", and i corrected the "tiniest way" misconception, you agree it is a P2W as i argued, nooice! Your argument was basically "If you can't buy 50X currency tabs and get a proportionate 50X the advantage like in many other P2W games, THEREFORE, even buying 1 stash tab is a 'negligible advantage'. 'PoE is a different kind of P2W, it's built different..er so it's not P2W'. |
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" You're not doing anything "wrong", or "right". It's a merely anecdotal statement of how you prefer to play. I don't see a problem in that, but I also don't really see a counter-argument. |
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" No the problem is your argument is this, you and your friends are playing grand turismo but you've decided that how good your car looks is the purpose of the game so its become p2w because you can buy skins. (I have no idea if you can buy skins in GT) Its a racing game, the point is to race. Stash tabs don't facilitate you doing shit in PoE, they won't teach you how to play, what skill is good, how to kill the bosses, what drops to pickup, how to succeed when not a meta cuck. What they do is help you make currency, except most players that use stash tabs to make currency are so shit at it they actually lose currency vs just playing the game. Imagine arguing that bank tabs in WoW were p2w they aren't even close, the fact you can buy a gear carry off a top raiding guild absolutely is. |
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" Yo lad, just get it, please. WTH does "I for one agree with Shags that he spoke for us. We (a group consisting of at least me and shags) don't need another thread about this" even mean??? OK, cool. Let's just believe for the sake of argument, that Shags was speaking for himself AND you. But did he mention you? No. I don't know what LARP you're running on to make sense of that. Nice red dead herring. Where is my opinion? Check what the word "opinion" means. If you actually had an argument- You'd have made it instantly, instead of replying to my reply to someone else - THEN randomly ending like you made a point. I am merely laying out bit by bit what actually happens in the game, and what the outcome of those implementations is, and who benefit from it all. People just self-deceive so hard they can't tell the difference between opinion and fact anymore - becoming masters of interchanging them at convenience. To prove me wrong - Just find something I wrote as a fact-claim that happens in game- and PROVE IT OTHERWISE = easy double you awaits. |
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" Lol i thought Lost ark also had P2W (saw some short vid about gear leveling), but not as "sophisticated" in hiding as PoE's p2w. |
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" [Removed by Support] Your WHOLE thread is based on an opinion, or rather a personal, subjective definition of three words: "Pay to win". Then you bash other players for being just as opinion-based? Come on. Some games have a really bad form of P2W, where they more or less attack your credit card every minute of the game, and there's no limits as to how much power you can buy. Other games have a more moderate approach, or rather a grey zone, where people, like yourself, actually have to debate whether or not it is P2W. To simply label both types of games as "P2W", and put them in the same stereotypical box, doesn't really help anyone. Don't have such a black/white view of the world. Everything is a scale. Very few things are either/or. Everything has nuances. So, you think PoE is P2W. So what!? Bring me some coffee and I'll bring you a smile. Last edited by JC_GGG#0000 on Mar 7, 2022, 8:26:59 AM
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"yeah you're right, if you are a collector, a full time trader or anything of that sort, there is definitely advantage to more space than the baseline to enjoy the game without any headaches. but even then there are harsh diminishing returns when you start wondering if you shouldnt get that 30th premium quad tab after all. for any player outside of the whale and/or addict that has to have everything, there is a sharp cut off where expanding isnt gonna enhance your experience in any significant way. the cut off will be at different levels for different players, but the amount of money you need to invest is still quite modest compared to the play time you get out of it. im mostly arguing against this line here " they are definitely optional past a certain point. you dont need them to stay "in the race" unless the race is "get everything" Last edited by jewdas12#5648 on Mar 7, 2022, 9:02:53 AM
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