Convince me Stash tab "MTX" is not pay to win

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allionus wrote:

There's a lot of numbers between 4 and 20 (420 damn blaze it), where your argument doesn't work. It also assumes everyone has the same stash managing capacity, which they don't. 20 is 5 times more than 4 = 5 times more item storing/selling space. Please look at it more objectively.

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kuciol wrote:

I dont redefine anything, you try to do it. Also yes, even in your hyperbolic example its not p2w as long as the price tag is not retarded. You have no advantage over someone who also got that weapon therfore you are not stronger so its not p2w, its just a price to play the game.

See spending this 30$ lets me be on par with a dude that spent 10 000. How can this be p2w?

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johnKeys wrote:

Ah the age old argument.

It is p2w.

Cosmetic MTX are not, but tabs are. Especially the kind that allows you to go past stack limit or upgrade components in a single click.

PoE after all these years still isn't an all-out Korean buy-immunity or mobile buy-exalts shitfest, but tabs are what they are.

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ChzBoi wrote:

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Darkness3d wrote:

....... 99.9% needed for every player.

Whooohooo!! I'm finally a 0.1%er!!!!

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Raycheetah wrote:

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allionus wrote:

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Raycheetah wrote:

Look: GGG could either limit us to four vanilla stash tabs and call it a day, or make more and better stash tabs available. But in doing so, they have to limit them somehow; they can't just hand them out willy-nilly... Or is that what you expect them to do, and for free? Aside from the fact that stash tabs pay to keep the servers running, of course, way ahead of all other MTX sales in revenue generation... =9[.]9=

It's much simpler than that - FIX Trade system's SLOW movement of items, the Extremely temporal chained to near-petrification rate of trading (even the very process of contacting sellers is absolute herpes. The intentional "limiting selling only when playing game" must be removed as it literally 'redlines' certain areas of the world based on their active hours coinciding. The whole market is NEVER fully accessible as people keep waking up and going to sleep (often just afk idle in hideout to sell items by getting orders that wait- all giving ggg massive spike in FAKE, forced player engagement).

Don't leave "the option of selling a listed item" with the seller. They will *OBVIOUSLY abuse it and manipulate price by item dangling* at whim. How to even blame the scalpers, it's all incentivized by ggg.

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I never said 'it's too expensive', or 'make it free'. Make it worth buying. The interface EVEN IN PREMIUMS, is bare-boned, so even when people PAY IN FULL - they STILL suffer from a poorly made system which is a slight, paid-for-improvement over its inferior precursor.

3rd party tools have better search for one example- ggg will probably rip them off and gut their earnings once they improve it enough, probably -just like poe/trade

NONE of what you just posted has anything to do with P2W. It's a complaint about trade. I'll just drop you a "Nice Strawman" and leave you to it. =9[.]9=

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Shagsbeard wrote:

I'd just like to restate my wish that everyone here should have the best possible day they can muster under whatever circumstance they find themselves in.

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MrWonderful99 wrote:

I will say the same thing I have have said for years now. If you play the game a lot and are unwilling to support GGG at all you are being unreasonable and cheap. GGG has a few faults but being greedy is not one of them IMO.