Voidstone may not be obtainable due to Boss Difficulty

i have concerns with this too.

they say these new bosses are harder than maven... ive killed maven and uber elder, i can do these things. mavens a hard fight tho.

ive played a stupid amount of hours and i can make a stupid amount of currency, im not a normal player by a long stretch.


my mrs for example has played 1000s of hours, has 100s of exalts, she will never be able to solo beat a boss like maven, ever. its just too fiddly and clusterfucky, its a bloody mess of area denial and barely readable telegraphing. she probably cant even beat uber elder, and her gear is way beyond normal.

a lot of people will never be able to beat a boss like maven purely down to their pc. the game will not run smooth enough on a big enough monitor with a good enough mouse and mat to be able to really have the control of their character they need and be able to see what the hell is even going on in that complete apocalypse of pixels and noise.


i dont think the maven is a fair fight, i think its a complete mess that tests the limits of people who have been plying for 10,000+ hours at the highest levels and need something completely stupid hard to challenge them. thats cool, those people need that sort of thing to exist to aspire to beat. but then putting the new watchstones behind not only her but also 2 more fights that promise to be even more of an unfair catastrophe of nonsense than maven?

thats asking a lot m8s. i have to clear sirus for my mrs, she cant do it, she cant even tell wtf is going on in the fight its just a screen full of red vomit. these pinnacle boss battles are not reasonable to gate anything outside of extreme chase items behind.

If these other bosses are Maven-level difficulty they will alienate most of the player base. At least in the old system you had way more levels of difficulty for atlas progression so that you could reach - say - 90% of full atlas unlock without Maven or The Feared. Now it seems that it’s almost all or nothing jumps by huge percentage increments say 25/25/25/25 (fuzzy math I know) where 50% - 75% unlock requires a huge leap in player capabilities be it skill or gear - or carry.

On the other hand its possible that the voidstones are not the most difficult thing here but squeezing out those last few points on the new atlas tree is what will require/replace insane fights like The Feared. The bosses might just have some sort of scaling to them so that the voidstones themselves won’t be too difficult to acquire.

I guess you can still hire a carry for these fights, same way people are getting the atlas passives from The Feared.

So are we actually stuck with 3 T16s until we can beat the game or have they said anything about fixing this design fiasco?

(sorry dungeon, you don't count)

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cgexile wrote:

If these other bosses are Maven-level difficulty they will alienate most of the player base.

Maven-level difficulty? I think Uber Elder is much more difficult to fight than Maven is, and Maven is pretty easy compared to Sirus. I'd rather hope Exarch and Eater are at Maven's level, because otherwise we've got Sirus/Uber Elder levels of nonsense. :P

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cgexile wrote:

The bosses might just have some sort of scaling to them so that the voidstones themselves won’t be too difficult to acquire.

One can hope. Fighting a weaker Uber Elder before getting any void stones would be a lot easier for everyone. Imagine having to fight them at full power when you've only got a tiny handful of T14-T16 maps to work with.

The fights with the two new bosses for voidstones are EASIER than Maven, not harder or same. Chris said they will be harder than maven on subsequent runs if you choose to juice their keys to the moon.

I suspect the first fights with those new bosses will be similar to 4-watchstone conquerors were.

Turn out the new boss, for the first encounter, is weak (the AOE still deadly and need movement skill), way easier to dps down than Sirus and Uber Elder

Yeah this change is horrible.

I play standard and I was planning on playing a bit casually but this new change makes that impossible as there are only 4 T16 maps (and all of those 4 maps have bad layout) without any of these new voidstones.

My character cannot handle bosses like Maven, and I won't make a new character from scratch. That would take weeks of gameplay and I don't have that time.

I am happy that Sirus is gone (that fight was just horrible RNG design), but making Uber Elder and Maven compulsory now (instead of optional) makes it impossible for me to play the game.

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rpgplayerrobin wrote:

Yeah this change is horrible.

I play standard and I was planning on playing a bit casually but this new change makes that impossible as there are only 4 T16 maps (and all of those 4 maps have bad layout) without any of these new voidstones.

My character cannot handle bosses like Maven, and I won't make a new character from scratch. That would take weeks of gameplay and I don't have that time.

I am happy that Sirus is gone (that fight was just horrible RNG design), but making Uber Elder and Maven compulsory now (instead of optional) makes it impossible for me to play the game.

dont worry, play the maps and follow the new eater of worlds/search exarch stuff on the atlas and ull get 2 voidstones from beating them, and theyre a LOT easier than maven and sirus. theyre totally doable, and once u beat them about 50% of ur atlas will be t16 maps.

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

dont worry, play the maps and follow the new eater of worlds/search exarch stuff on the atlas and ull get 2 voidstones from beating them, and theyre a LOT easier than maven and sirus. theyre totally doable, and once u beat them about 50% of ur atlas will be t16 maps.

What about the other half? T14 and T15, right?

If so, only having 2/4 voids isn't too bad.