Can Path of Exile compete with Lost Ark and Elden Ring?
" Depends on what your definition of "survive" is. I personally think major changes are coming to PoE and GGG including layoffs and scaled back development up until PoE2 (if they even get there targeting 2024) So if your definition of survival means that even if a couple thousand play its surviving, then sure. I mean we wont get to total annihilation. If you are talking about PoE's survival in terms of what it currently is, then nah. This snowball is rolling downhill atm, and there is nothing to indicate a resurgence. "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."
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It's not really a competition since there's nothing popular in the same genre as PoE. 3.17 player numbers will be fine unless GGG royally screws up because it's a brand new endgame. A significant player power spike will bring a lot of people back. 3.16 tricked a ton of people into coming back who mistakenly thought they were getting buffed. They obviously didn't stick around but they cared enough to league start.
If GGG listens to streamers and removes spell suppression and armor from the game and they don't buff anything then PoE can crash and burn for all I care. I'll go to work on my Steam backlog and play things that are actually entertaining. |
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" https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3205417 " https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3191140 " 2 news posts from the last 2 months. that previous highest ever record was also this year, their 3 highest ever records have been this year, its been their most successful year ever. every time i pop into these forums and open a few threads youre in at least one of them with these bizarre takes, is this a running joke ive just missed or something? I love all you people on the forums, we can disagree but still be friends and respect each other :)
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Compete with say this event, hmm lets see, Prison sex may be more enjoyable than the current event, so YES I think other games can compete very easily LUL!
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" Keep baiting, not gonna work. Have your own opinion on Tencent GGG, I don't care, but at least lets respect our differing opinions. My takes & opinions are not "bizarre" or a "running joke". Though I haven't agreed with you much, I certainly haven't called you bizarre, or a joke. Do better. You have had issues with a number of community members, and it's no surprise why if you ask me. To your specific comments, what isn't debatable is that GGG has set two records for retention futility in the past couple of leagues, so while I concede the fact more folks are playing at launches, I suspect due to sponsored streams they have shelled out tons of cash for, players are leaving dissatisfied, and quickly (within weeks), faster than they ever have since it launched out of beta. This is not the compliment you think it is. Also, for the first time in their history it appears (we need to wait until March for confirmation), their overall Revenue is going to shrink, year over year, based on some of the things Chris spoke about during the 3.15 disaster. I suspect this is why they launched their new annual core supporter packs before 2021 ended. It was an odd decision for the uninformed, during a dead time in the league, with little fanfare or hype, while much of GGG is out of the office. But for those that know what is going on financially, it's not too shocking. They really needed to recoup as much as they can for this year's reporting. As far as the job openings go, I'd be interested in knowing if they are a function of growth (which seems questionable operationally), or turnover and replacement. Also perhaps if they are being utilized for PoE2 development, which is an unrealized asset that would have needed Tencent's approval on. I haven't actually looked into this to verify, so I'm not prepared to say anything about it that I can source, but I do hope those folks have negoiated some guarantees in their contracts. Lastly, as I have detailed previously in my post history should you be so inclined to review, GGG has made a significant number of developmental missteps and, imo, ethically questionable decisions. Their reputation in their home country, after selling out to China, is... well I can't delve into politics here, but it wasn't received well. Personally I wouldn't want to die on the GGG hill defending them, but again you do you. "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln Last edited by DarthSki44#6905 on Dec 31, 2021, 8:30:48 PM
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" I think you're blowing it a bit out of proportions. 2021 has seen four leagues, two of them being two of the most successful leagues in the history of PoE in terms of player numbers, while the other two saw rather poor/average numbers. The year seen as a whole? Not that dramatic. I think the numbers on 3.17 will tell us a lot. Bring me some coffee and I'll bring you a smile.
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" I'm not so sure to be honest. I think millions of dollars of lost revenue is significant to some, especially to those directors on the board. Chris seemed pretty concerned during his 3.15 media blitz, sharing some bleak numbers. If he was panicked, why shouldn't I take my cues from that? Personally I think you are minimizing the fact that GGG spent half of their year at the very least, missing revenue targets, alienating casual players, and struggling to retain players that did try their leagues at a record pace. I too agree that 3.17 is critical. However, starting off already with a two week delay for vacations (which they have already been on!) isn't exactly...well I don't agree with the overall premise. They can do whatever they want, but there are plenty of gaming options are available now, and more will be in Q1 2022. Let's see what happens. I don't share your seeming optimism based on what I've seen recently, especially in 2021. Maybe 3.17 will be great! Maybe it will be another misstep. "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."
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" Fair enough. But you´ve putting the most negative spin possible on pretty much everything since 3.15 although you know no more than the rest of us. Its getting old. It kinda looks like you cant wait for GGG to fail. You might be enjoying this idea because PoE isnt what you want it to be or whatever it is, just keep in mind its only your hobby on the line whereas its the Devs livelihood. They do know better and wont just throw away what they´ve been working on for almost a decade by now. Show some respect and dignity, even or especially if you disgree |
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" Since when is being pessimistic, or having a dissenting opinion a lack of respect or dignity? If anything being dismissive of my opinions, like someone else in this thread did, by saying I'm bizarre or a joke, is far worse. That's so toxic it's barely worth addressing, but not surprising 'round here. In the end we are all customers of the game. That being said, it's not all sugar and rainbows over at GGG, and providing facts, details, sourcing, data, Dev comments, detailing that isn't some kind of insider information. All you have to do is pay attention. If you ignore a problem it doesn't mean it ceases to exist. And whatever happens to GGG and PoE, I don't care one way or the other really. I would prefer to have a game I enjoy, but I have no problem supporting other developers and games with my time and money should I not agree with the direction GGG is taking the game. I've already said that I will no longer be supporting GGG financially, but I will still follow the game, if I have time, try their new stuff. I won't feel bad about providing feedback and commentary. While we can agree to disagree on the premise of some of my criticisms, GGG should prefer that to people leaving, providing no explanation. I think one of the major issues with the game is how they handle "feedback" from the community from a variety of sources. Their seeming obsession with the <1% is so detrimental for the game imo. I think GGG began to realize this after the 3.15 performance. They need that casual player money to maintain what they have built. Continuing to alienate those players / customers...isn't going to work. I suspect that's why we saw some actually good QoL this past league that was absolutely casual friendly, and addressed some of the bloat of the game. Really Phrazz was right about 3.17 telling us more about the reaction to 3.15 than we saw in 3.16 since development was already well into their window when they saw how 3.15 was received. I do think 3.17 will be a significant indicator as to PoE's future. I'm skeptical at best. "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."
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" Its not that and you know it. You havent missed a single opportunity here to express your pessimism for months. Its almost been half a year now. Everyone around here knows it by now and you simply keep repeating the same old points like a broken record. Im not saying you cant be right but since you dont have anything new to add, might as well wait until you do. It kinda looks like you cant wait for a suitable topic to repeat yourself once more and chime in to do just that over and over and over again. Yes you do have a right to make your point, you did that more often than I can count and its getting really old. At least wait until you got something new to talk about. |
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