Just got scammed, can we get an anti trade scam system implemented any time soon?
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A presumed bot did one of those rapid currency insert pressure scams and now I lost currency to what i can only pressume to be a russian gold seller.
Would it be too much to ask for that you please put in the effort to make an anti scam trade reverting system? Items traded between players need to be confirmed by both parties within 5 minutes of a successful trade or automatically confirmed after those 5 minutes. During this time, what can be done with those items will be restricted, including a protection system against dying with said items or currency. If one of the parties believe the other person didn't supply the item or currency listed on the trade site, that person can do some procedure that forcefully reverts the process. Simply having a second lifeline will save people from a lot of trouble and probably get rid of over 90% of trade scammers. Also if any ggg employees wishes more info on the scammer, i'd be happy to provide. But that won't even make a scratch on the scamming business even if you did. We need something better rather than the playing needing to pay attention. We aren't perfect, especially not at our worst I usually do not read popular posts again after i made a comment on it, unless it's one of my own. I wish to have a Black robed Grim Reaper micro set in game one day, grant my wish, GGG Last bumped on Oct 28, 2021, 4:24:41 PM
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nah. no way they add good trade. they will need to do sth with bots first. a real sth. not 10% banhammer once per 1month, cus it gives nothing.
no bots remedy=no normal trade. have no fun |
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" Why would it be a bot? " Why would they be Russian? " This is unnecessary; you need to mouse-over each item before confirming the trade. " What would that look like? Prevent them from leaving town? " So I can abruptly remove an item someone could be relying on in the middle of combat? This is not how you prevent in-game abuse; this is how you facilitate it. " While I can appreciate the intent, this is - respectfully - a terrible idea. There is no reasonable way of preventing people in Hardcore from dying, preventing people from using currency they've earned in one trade in another will make the game worse in greater than 99% of cases, and giving people the option of subsequently revoking trades without just cause would be rife with trolling. I am adamantly against this suggestion. Do not make my in-game quality of life very significantly worse because some people do not pay attention when they should. Do not punish me for their behaviour. Do not harm my experience to protect other people from themselves. " You can e-mail support@grindinggear.com with the details and they'll forward it on to the appropriate team. FWIW, I hope you do - and I hope they're permanently banned (on all of their accounts). |
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Sarno
" Because their behavior was strange and they didn't block me after the harassing them about what they were doing. I didn't include all info on the matter because this post is not meant to be a suggestion and not a bot report. " Because their Hideout realm was located in Moscow, but you are right, maybe they weren't. "
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That is the same argument anyone will give to why this is a bad idea. It's the same argument as saying, oh you don't need a two factor authentication to sign in because you already have a password. Guess what. Scammers will pressure you into accepting trades and if they are skilled enough at it, they can easily catch you accepting even after hovering over the items. PoE players want to be fast and efficient. If it looks correct at first site and their brain is not 1000% focused on the trade, they can easily slip up and everyone including you will likely say it was entirely on the players fault. That player is now the laughing stock even though common human errors caused them to fall for a cleverly constructed scam. Point is, your argument of just hovering over may work to some extent but there are many factors that can come into play before, during and after hovering over the items. We NEED better scam protection. Why else do you think this keeps happening? People keep falling for it, so clearly the hover over thing to confirm does not work all the time. Honest players keep getting scammed.
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I can think of many potential options, which will work I do not know but I imagine if a player enables a scam protection option, they will have 2 minutes to verify the trade went through correctly before the items can be used, brought into an instance, leave the players inventory or stash and as such, prevent them from entering places unless they move the items to the stash. They will receive a notification if the items were sent back and both parties got their original items back. This is of course only one method which it could be done. I'm one person, I'm not here to give the exact method which it would be done, I'm here to try and enforce a much needed feature because something needs to be done
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You're joking right? Please say you are joking!
This is exactly what some would call being close sighted and being unable to read between the lines, not to mention I already answered this in the spoiler above. You think i want them to implement a feature in which people will get actively screwed over by the coding? This change is suppose to HELP the player base not screw them over even harder! The whole idea is people won't be able to use the items until that 1-10 minutes have passed. Of course people can crash, get disconnected and lose that opportunity but at least now they have a fighting chance that if any of the above happens, they will simply have to deal with the results the way we do now. "
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I am adamantly against this suggestion. Do not make my in-game quality of life very significantly worse because some people do not pay attention when they should. Do not punish me for their behaviour. Do not harm my experience to protect other people from themselves."
You are clearly very adament on taking what I said very literally, not looking between the lines, thinking out of the box and not just presuming what I say to be exactly what I want. The fact you just platently make these assumptions without asking first for me to specify what I mean is the most frustrating part. I spent 4500+ hours and a lot of money to see where things will go in development, I don't act entitled and try to enforce one view, I try to enforce a demand for something to take place and give a broad perspective on how it could be done. "
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I would rather see some actual changes done. I have made my fair share of things. It won't benefit me in the slightest if this person gets banned, I don't need revenge, I need what was lost returned to me and that is precisely what this suggestion is meant for in the first place. I am already aware that I can email them, I just won't go through the effort as I'm tired of putting more energy into something that won't solve a thing. Iirl, they can just make new accounts as there are no ip bans to my knowledge and even if there were, they could just change their ip or use a vpn. So I only delay their scamming procedures, not prevent it entirely. That is why they need to be discourged from scamming to begin with
At the end of the day, I want what's best for everyone but I especially don't want to fall victim to a scam. I shouldn't have to sit there holding up a traders time just to ensure that i get what i want. The moment the item is put in, i know what they are trying to sell me and by sitting there looking and confirming, I feel a strong sense of anxiety that they would rather just get the trade over with and go elsewhere. While doing all of this, I am also delaying my own time and putting myself at risk of losing something I want. I know for a fact that GGG can do something about the problem, they are smart after all. They made this brilliant game and for some reason are starting to add things that i feel like they weren't meant to add to begin with... yeah i don't know what's going on there but that just proves my point, they can do something about the problem, but the time it takes means more scams can take place and people days are being ruined bit by bit. It just saddens me deeply that we see all these great improvements to the game being made but so little improvement to trading security that players can see. I just want to be safe and not be shut down because I can't get my thoughts across. I don't know what to say anymore, I never once forgave the system after I was scammed and I never will. Not until improvements are made. Trading impairs any actions from taking place and psychologically encourages a quick trading process and it's old and outdated and was never really good to begin with. I'm getting nowhere with this I usually do not read popular posts again after i made a comment on it, unless it's one of my own. I wish to have a Black robed Grim Reaper micro set in game one day, grant my wish, GGG
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I am also completely against OP's idea for all the reasons Sarno said. I don't want trades which have nothing to do with me to have any negative impact on my gameplay experience.
Here are two far, far better means of addressing this same problem: 1 - Significantly raise the currency stack size within the trade window. If you didn't need to trade piles and piles and piles of the same currency in a single transaction and could instead place 160 chaos orbs (or whatever) into a single tile within the trade window, it takes both parties much less time to verify that the correct amount is being presented. 2 - Put a counter totalizing the stackable currency at the bottom of the trade window, quickly summarizing the amount of like-items. That being said, you're still your own first line of defense. Don't hurry through trades, don't trust total strangers from the internet, and assume any offer which looks too good to be true is. I've literally never been scammed in several thousand hours of playing in trade leagues, so they are definitely avoidable. |
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I wholeheartedly agree with every point Sarno made.
Trade scams in PoE come up in feedback/suggestions every few days or weeks and its always the same complaint. TAKE YOUR TIME. There is no one rushing you in a trade, and if the other player keeps closing the window then don't trade with them! The biggest clue to a scammer is 90% of the time they close the window and say "oh I forgot something" or some other line. But guess what? when they come back you have to hover over all the items again! So at that point if they get away with scamming you it is ENTIRELY your fault. There is no need for GGG to address any scam tactics because they have ALREADY implemented protections. More "protections" are bloat and will slow down trade which is already a torturous experience. I don't mean to be cold but... As for reading between the lines, are you an essayist or a poet? Why should anyone reading your post read between the lines of the specific point you are trying to make lol? It is your job as the author to put forth a clear and reasonable post. Last edited by jsuslak313#7615 on Oct 27, 2021, 10:16:00 PM
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Scammers are a core part of their trade balance system. Balancing through tedium invites people getting bored and doing stupid things. They want you to trade less so they love scammers to punish people for doing boring things.
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you should try buying a enlightened/empower lv4 /6link queen of the forest in the first 2 month. the entire first page are usually all scammers.
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Without automatic trade like old-school Auction House etc. we are doomed to waste time and then from time to time to be by our negligence we get scammed thanks to GGG and their no time consuming trade police.
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