Diablo 2 was popular for its multiplayer aspects, not its single player. Yall need to learn that.

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PrairieTutanka wrote:

I'd rather play a Diablo 2 themed Ragnarok Online, than a Baldurs gate.

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PrairieTutanka wrote:

The replies have been good. So I don't want to get too wild with my responses. I still wish their was more variety to the POE scene. Or variety to the type of person who scouts these forums. Tho it seems PVE'ers ran off " variety " long ago.

:) To the guy who asked about PVE-Andy lol. It's a term Asmon uses, to describe a generic fashion-dresser, when having a costume content. A " Fire-lands Andy ". I only started using it for pve'ers, when being outnumbered on a previous pvp thread.

On a silly off-topic note. I was watching a Chris stream with like 6 top POE streamers. They were all dressed in black, half with glasses, & black hair. They all looked like metal heads, who worked at a library. After that, I'm guessing that's what solo pve'rs dress like. ha.

The Ultima online response was refreshing. I was like " finally a fellow pvper! yeaaasss! " than it got to the end & the guy believes some mediocre slogan of core game mechanics being ruined, which I don't share that sentiment.

The Ultima online example, doesn't say to me, " hey adding more content to the game ruined it ", it just says to me " PVE'ers ruined it ". Which is essentially what's happening with POE now in my opinion. PVE'ers are holding this game back, big time. However I know not everyone agrees with that, so touche.

I will be downloading Final Fantasy for social aspects, yet that game has no pvp, so pvpers don't have a game to go to right now. I'll still want social updates + pvp updates for POE, no matter what mmorpg I play. Because I'll still have characters invested in POE, that I'll want to talk to other players, or test these builds against (when online).

I can tell these POE forums, have a lot of mmorpg novices. Only mmorpg novices would want to separate these aspects from this game. You will say otherwise & tell me how you play mmorpg's too, but I'll still believe this.

POE holds my interest for 1 year, with pve-only content, than I'll move to a new game, maybe even sooner. Than I'll give it another 3 years if they add social town updates, & another 3 years if they add pvp updates.

To the guy talking about his wife playing & waiting for her 2 mins in town, driving him crazy. Well that's what wrong with the parties of this game. For new players or any player really, it's just some rapid rush, of having to keep up with some guy rushing rooms, like sonic the hedgehog. Diablo 2's party system, when I played it during its prime years, had rushing, but not as bad as POE's is. The pace was still pleasant, after you teleported to your skipped Act. So ye behaving as if 2 minutes in town is too long, while wanting to skip through zones, as fast as you can = really explains why the party system needs work. Or town experience. The game has zero social aspects, 10 people panning through a stash, then bailing, every time = the town experience. No amount of playing other mmorpg's, is going to make me not want that altered for the better (when I do hop on POE). Thus bigger towns, population size, & more events in town. While making guilds hangout in town / not hideouts.

I've already written my opinions about how pvp balances pve, 100%. On my topic, " Why do mobile games have better pvp than poe, or games with less cash shop funding or playerbase?". Even if they have to re-work defense scaling, against the dps 1 shot antics. So yeah, in my opinion, without having to go into detail again; PVP exposes item imbalances, exposes the top 1% builds, balances all of that, & balances range vs melee as well.

Silent majority or minority, I'm bored with the league talks. I'll skip through 2 hours of an interview, wishing they'd talk about anything else. Bigger skill trees? Nope. Randomized skill trees? Nope. Bigger social towns? Nope. Group PVP siege maps? Nope. Fun events not segregated to a side mode? Nope. Anything else other than end-game pve discussion? Nope. *yawns*

I still believe this community uses these words or excuses too much, when describing a variety of content: " Too hard, impossible, not possible, unlikely, how will they this, how will they that? " I really wait for the guy who's pro positive on this matter & just blatantly says, " JUST DO IT! ". Sure beats writing a thesis paper on why all these things are possible.

Honestly I'd like to see 20 more threads that have nothing to do with PVE. Or at least nothing to do with endgame pve or items as much. Doesn't have to be pvp related or social related, but anything else would be sweet. If you don't have the content to talk about other stuff, than talk about not having the content. & vote toward it.

Besides the technical aspects of how they have turned a single player game, into a multiplayer game, & the updates needed to turn it into a MMO next. Besides that. It seems many are stuck in the past, regardless of the topic at hand.

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VomitChrist wrote:

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PrairieTutanka wrote:

The replies have been good. So I don't want to get too wild with my responses. I still wish their was more variety to the POE scene. Or variety to the type of person who scouts these forums. Tho it seems PVE'ers ran off " variety " long ago.

:) To the guy who asked about PVE-Andy lol. It's a term Asmon uses, to describe a generic fashion-dresser, when having a costume content. A " Fire-lands Andy ". I only started using it for pve'ers, when being outnumbered on a previous pvp thread.

On a silly off-topic note. I was watching a Chris stream with like 6 top POE streamers. They were all dressed in black, half with glasses, & black hair. They all looked like metal heads, who worked at a library. After that, I'm guessing that's what solo pve'rs dress like. ha.

The Ultima online response was refreshing. I was like " finally a fellow pvper! yeaaasss! " than it got to the end & the guy believes some mediocre slogan of core game mechanics being ruined, which I don't share that sentiment.

The Ultima online example, doesn't say to me, " hey adding more content to the game ruined it ", it just says to me " PVE'ers ruined it ". Which is essentially what's happening with POE now in my opinion. PVE'ers are holding this game back, big time. However I know not everyone agrees with that, so touche.

I will be downloading Final Fantasy for social aspects, yet that game has no pvp, so pvpers don't have a game to go to right now. I'll still want social updates + pvp updates for POE, no matter what mmorpg I play. Because I'll still have characters invested in POE, that I'll want to talk to other players, or test these builds against (when online).

I can tell these POE forums, have a lot of mmorpg novices. Only mmorpg novices would want to separate these aspects from this game. You will say otherwise & tell me how you play mmorpg's too, but I'll still believe this.

POE holds my interest for 1 year, with pve-only content, than I'll move to a new game, maybe even sooner. Than I'll give it another 3 years if they add social town updates, & another 3 years if they add pvp updates.

To the guy talking about his wife playing & waiting for her 2 mins in town, driving him crazy. Well that's what wrong with the parties of this game. For new players or any player really, it's just some rapid rush, of having to keep up with some guy rushing rooms, like sonic the hedgehog. Diablo 2's party system, when I played it during its prime years, had rushing, but not as bad as POE's is. The pace was still pleasant, after you teleported to your skipped Act. So ye behaving as if 2 minutes in town is too long, while wanting to skip through zones, as fast as you can = really explains why the party system needs work. Or town experience. The game has zero social aspects, 10 people panning through a stash, then bailing, every time = the town experience. No amount of playing other mmorpg's, is going to make me not want that altered for the better (when I do hop on POE). Thus bigger towns, population size, & more events in town. While making guilds hangout in town / not hideouts.

I've already written my opinions about how pvp balances pve, 100%. On my topic, " Why do mobile games have better pvp than poe, or games with less cash shop funding or playerbase?". Even if they have to re-work defense scaling, against the dps 1 shot antics. So yeah, in my opinion, without having to go into detail again; PVP exposes item imbalances, exposes the top 1% builds, balances all of that, & balances range vs melee as well.

Silent majority or minority, I'm bored with the league talks. I'll skip through 2 hours of an interview, wishing they'd talk about anything else. Bigger skill trees? Nope. Randomized skill trees? Nope. Bigger social towns? Nope. Group PVP siege maps? Nope. Fun events not segregated to a side mode? Nope. Anything else other than end-game pve discussion? Nope. *yawns*

I still believe this community uses these words or excuses too much, when describing a variety of content: " Too hard, impossible, not possible, unlikely, how will they this, how will they that? " I really wait for the guy who's pro positive on this matter & just blatantly says, " JUST DO IT! ". Sure beats writing a thesis paper on why all these things are possible.

Honestly I'd like to see 20 more threads that have nothing to do with PVE. Or at least nothing to do with endgame pve or items as much. Doesn't have to be pvp related or social related, but anything else would be sweet. If you don't have the content to talk about other stuff, than talk about not having the content. & vote toward it.

Besides the technical aspects of how they have turned a single player game, into a multiplayer game, & the updates needed to turn it into a MMO next. Besides that. It seems many are stuck in the past, regardless of the topic at hand.

How about you don't try to argue with other people on what they should or should not enjoy doing.
I hate this Gatekeeper shit. I can just picture you swiping your bangs out of your eyes as you type self righteously.

I don't even care about SP or MP but as sure as shit wont let ANYONE tell me HOW I am enjoying a game wrong.

You're like that one douche bag at a punk show who is pointing out the poseurs for liking the wrong band, a band you just happen to hate.

Taste is subjective my friend and you don't get to dictate what is fun to others. Why you are so bent up on what other think and how they play is fucking beyond me but its obvious that the lockdown has turned you into a full blown Karen.


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For the record, In 1999, Baldur's Gate won the Origins Award for Best Role Playing Computer Game of 1998, not to mention "Voted Best" in many PC gaming mags at the time. This just goes to show that you are putting your own opinions and bias down as fact when it comes to gaming.
The ONLY reason you think BG wasn't popular (in the late 90's when most peoples first access to multiplayer games, PC's and the internet was collage!)is because YOU didn't like it.

Wait, how old where you BG even came out?

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Aynix wrote:

Diablo 2 was great game. When it came out. I love when people praise Diablo 2 to the heavens like its the best game ever made, while they didnt play it for past 10 years and are looking at it with nostalgia googles.