I am really thinking in quitting this game after 5-6 years

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sbowen223 wrote:

I’m terribly disappointed that so many people (mostly casuals) can’t stomach the idea of playing a game that contains some content ACTUALLY gated by a degree of time investment and or skill that they may not possess.

You have absolutely no idea what kind of other games any portion of those people play, though. Where would you even go for data on that? They might be world's best FPS professionals or might love to play soulslikes or strategy games or something else that takes tons of either physical skill, or intelligence.

And yet, they might not want that in a Diablo clone.

As said before, the grandfather of Diablo clones (I refuse to call them "arpg" because that genre is applied to a million different kinds of games), Diablo 2, was never hard. It was repetitive and grindy, but you never hit those kinds of walls where you just stopped having fun completely.

Maybe the majority of people who played Diablo 3, and are playing Path of Exile, come from Diablo 2, and don't want that kind of a "skill check" in their favorite grindy pastime.

Also, just as a side note, calling someone who may play a Diablo clone for thousands, maybe tens of thousands of hours in its lifetime, often 10+ hours a day, sometimes going for 20, 30, 40 hours in one sitting, a "casual" is just a tad silly. It just reeks of needless elitism. It would feel that way even if we knew how much those people actually do play the game. Well, we do, in many cases, as streamers and otherwise known players with thousands of hours into Path of Exile are among those who have quit this league and don't want the game to feel like this.

There are plenty of games with high skill thresholds out there. For the highest level of difficulty, play against human opponents. A Diablo clone arguably doesn't necessarily have to have that, at all. It can just be a grindy, fun thing.

Everyone has their preference, and it should basically come down to what keeps the player numbers up. However, with the absurdly overpriced MTXs being a thing with this game, it's probably all about whether people keep buying them or not, and player retention is secondary, if not irrelevant.

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FinYuna wrote:

I have also poe running background and just trading

Why?

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Draegnarrr wrote:

I do find it ironic that a game now touted as the ultimate casual fest once had very challenging (class dependant) endgame content its interesting D3 has had both worlds and fully swung from one to the other.

it actually still does, pushing grifts in diablo 3 is no joke. those things will take you to hand achingly desperate battles against mobs that can almost instantly kill you if you position badly and take literally minutes to kill some rares. youre up against a clock and making a wrong decision somewhere, be it pulling too many mobs, not enough mobs, sticking around to fight the wrong mobs, not clearing mobs you could have killed, these things can cost you the entire rift, seconds might matter, this might be your 5th attempt in a row to clear this tier of rift, your 10th.

its like putting a lvl45 character into a t16 map and giving yourself 15 minutes to full clear it.

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Phrazz wrote:

"But I'm following a build..."

no wonder hes tearing his hair out, playing abyssus builds in leagues, holy cow, sometimes its hilariously fun and sometimes its just soul destroying. last time i remember trying one binos was the fotm, i had one so lets do flicker, binos, blood rage, abyssus... when it gets to the point where youre dying to blue crabs in a tier 6 map its maddening.

if i remember right i stopped playing it really early before i ended up throwing my monitor out of the window. it was a miserable experience.

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Sydänyö wrote:

Diablo 3 started out as "not an easy game". Without trading or using the real money auction house, you'd get to act 2 on inferno (hardest difficulty), and then you'd just start instantly dying. Then you'd basically need to overgear the acts to get anywhere in most cases, and then it turned into "buy your gear from the auction house or quit playing."

And people quit playing.

Some time later, that whole first iteration of Diablo 3 was completely scrapped as absolute garbage.

Diablo 2 was never hard. Diablo 2 was about the grind. You'd put thousands of hours into it, doing tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of meph runs, baal runs, cow runs, pindle runs, pit runs, and so on. At no point was there a brick wall where you'd just keep dying over and over again.

And Diablo 2 was incredibly popular.

Where did this idea that a Diablo clone should be like Dark Souls, where you die constantly and get punished harshly for it, even come from? It definitely has nothing to do with Diablo 2. And, arguably, it has nothing to do with fun.

Is Chris trying to make Path of Exile into a second coming of the first iteration of Diablo 3? Because it's definitely starting to feel like that. Very much the same kind of feeling of hitting a brick wall and starting to just constantly die at some point.

All we need now is a real money auction house, or just a shop where GGG sells amazing gear for real money, and the transformation will be complete.

Someone who gets it. "The spiritual successor to D2" is becoming launch day D3. D2 was the greatest arpg ever released comparative to its time, and it was essentially a decade long power creep. Power creep in some genres is a bad thing. Power creep in arpgs? It's mandatory.

Less build diversity doesn't make the game 'difficult'. Doing things slower than you did last year doesn't make the game 'harder'. More telegraphed enemy attacks to manually dodge could add difficulty, but outside of that, you're just giving me less diverse choices and forcing me to hold a button down for longer.

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FinYuna wrote:

I have also poe running background and just trading

Why?

Just for trading

No need to quit permanently. A new league is always only 3 months away. This is statistically the worst league GGG has ever released in its entire history but it's unlikely to get worse from here. Bones will be thrown to players. At worst there will be one more filler league and then another bigger expansion that fixes the mistakes of Ultimatum and Expedition.

Diablo 3 on release was an abomination unless you were an RMT seller. Everyone who got through A2 and needed A3/A4 gear to do A3/A4 knows how terrible that felt. Diablo 3 became an amazing game over time, though not one with an economy so it can never absorb as many hours as a game like PoE. If Diablo 4 manages to copy the secret economic sauce of PoE then GGG is in trouble.

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FinYuna wrote:

Just for trading

Don't think you understood my question. Why are you trading?

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DiabloImmoral wrote:

No need to quit permanently. A new league is always only 3 months away.

This. If you don't like the patch/league/direction, be sure to give them your constructive criticism and then vote with both your wallet and statistics by not playing. Drop back and see what the next league brings.

Ironically, Diablo 3's biggest success was its launch because people were hyped to play it. Over time it went down and no change really managed to help it. Unless you believe that locking builds behind set items was "great"

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Don't think you understood my question. Why are you trading?

Yeah i did. Was just wondering that are you really asking such a question with so obvious answer.

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FinYuna wrote:

Yeah i did. Was just wondering that are you really asking such a question with so obvious answer.

No, I'm genuinely curious; why trade if you're not playing the game? What do you need the currency for? I'm not going to bash your answer or anything. As I said, I'm curious.