3.15 is alright, for people who know what to do. Casuals or part-timers, the worst patch ever

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Toaru_Majutsu_no_Index wrote:

When I did kill her on my first attempt, dying twice I was devastated that the hardest part of the game was the memory phase, the fight itself is VERY mechanical, but if you have precise movement (evade beams/drop balls stacked) and use TELEPORTING movement skills it is very easy.

Also no, it is not that I care about the achievement at all, it just feels so odd that the lategame content is so.... underused?

I think it´s bcos of accessibility mostly.
It has always been irritating for me to reach the bosses before interacting with them.

I am missing boss farming from Diablo 2 here.
You could make hundreds of boss runs in relatively small amount of time.
But here? How many players have met Aul (the Delve boss) or any other more rare boss even once?

I have taken a break from poe for 4-5 leagues or so, played a few t1 maps, a bit of past league content (heist?) and one special event map from new league and I am already bored.

I have tried some endgame content on standard and I have realised
I am missing old Atlas so much. It was simple and easy to understand. It´s overcomplicated mess now and I think many (new) players won´t bother.

I don´t care much about the nerfs or changes (although many of them will solve nothing and just punish weaker builds/newer players) but flask changes (ailment protection) is pretty bad.

The current gameplay is a complete mess right now (especially in multiplayer).
There´s just too much clutter runing on the screen.
If they really want to improve game experience they should reduce all effects / loot / explosion and whatever going on.

Diablo 2 has been so much better in multiplayer.

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Tin_Foil_Hat wrote:

People cant think for themselves so when Reddit/Forums say "game bad, me no like" they think "game bad, me no like". Its all hivemind mentality and honestly, if those are the types of people leaving the game, good riddance.

Do you work for GGG?

Nope, funny youd assume that though. whats next "oh youre just a GGG shill".

Funny how when people like you commenting to me saying dumb shit like that, all i have to do is say i quit the game for 4 years because i didnt like the direction they took and suddenly you have nothing to say.

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ViolateTheDead wrote:

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Tin_Foil_Hat wrote:

People cant think for themselves so when Reddit/Forums say "game bad, me no like" they think "game bad, me no like". Its all hivemind mentality and honestly, if those are the types of people leaving the game, good riddance.

Do you work for GGG?

First of all, I didn't see GGG actually interact with the community other than "Removed by support"
Secondly I think said post would either include signs of intelligence or at least a "!"

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Toaru_Majutsu_no_Index wrote:

So my conclusion was to well, do the right thing -> log out -> do some activity I have fun with. Right now I am having a blast in dota/stalker/last spell.

Nothing wrong with that

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Toaru_Majutsu_no_Index wrote:

Hey guys, we just realized we devolped poe not in-line with our vision for the past 6years, soooo.... regardless what it became, we just gonna force our vision onto it now.

It just feels like the lamest excuse EVER, as in did they deposit their vision somewhere half a decade ago and switched the service so they "suddenly" found it?

Also the all out changes all at once, feel super bad and poorly thought out, before you nerf everything, you at least get poorly performing abilities in line with others.

You fell for PR speak and your own expectations.

Yes PoE is in a rough spot right now, which is to be expected when they are introducing this many blanket nerfs/changes. But its not only about their vision of the game. Its not a lie either, its just not the full truth.

Look up the term "exponential curve" and compare it to the "player power" graph shown in the 3.15 reveal stream. You will realize the similarities and the fact that PoE´s curve is about to spiral out of control if GGG continues to introduce more powercreep. And they will without a doubt, thats their main marketing tool after all.

What they are doing right now is flattening the curve so they can introduce more powercreep which is making them money while preventing the power curve does spiral out of control. Chris said it would take them a about a year to get where they want to be.
Its nothing but laying the groundworks for powercreep in PoE2.

Basically a reset to make sure they can continue doing what they have been doing for years. Hyping players with new powercreep and selling supporter packs that way. They will have to eat a shortterm loss for sure but its pretty much the only way to ensure future revenue and they bank on PoE2 having enough pull to make sure most if not all those quitting right now are coming back.

Orbaal - It´s their fault. They were adding more powercreep to the game through years but without any real vision toeards PoE2 but they are cuting things now ...
No wonder about player´s reaction.

The changes are executed badly anyway (balance is still crap, screen clutter over the top etc.).

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Rakiii wrote:

Orbaal - It´s their fault.

On that we are agreed. I never said it wasnt their fault.

I was wondering for about 3 years now how they are going to deal with the exponential powercreep and when they are going to address it.


Especially 3.13 with Harvet´s comeback was mindblowing to me and then the nerfs to it was even more mindblowing. What did they expect to happen?
They clearly shot themselves in the foot with that one and its a whats going right now in a nutshell.

However I do understand why they are going down this road although I do disagree on how and when they are doing it. But whatever, Im just here to play a game and have fun. As long as I do have fun, I´ll continue playing the game and throwing some money their way as well.

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Tin_Foil_Hat wrote:

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ViolateTheDead wrote:

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Tin_Foil_Hat wrote:

People cant think for themselves so when Reddit/Forums say "game bad, me no like" they think "game bad, me no like". Its all hivemind mentality and honestly, if those are the types of people leaving the game, good riddance.

Do you work for GGG?

Nope, funny youd assume that though. whats next "oh youre just a GGG shill".

Funny how when people like you commenting to me saying dumb shit like that, all i have to do is say i quit the game for 4 years because i didnt like the direction they took and suddenly you have nothing to say.

Why do you care what other people think then? If others are not happy with the direction and voicing their concerns what is it to you? You haven't played the game in years by your own words, came back because you I guess you liked the patch, but instead of playing the game you come here to tell people they are playing the game wrong for the past 5+ years, and then to leave if they don't like the new direction.

I have a strong feeling you bored already, too. I'm not surprised.

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Orbaal wrote:

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Rakiii wrote:

Orbaal - It´s their fault.

On that we are agreed. I never said it wasnt their fault.

I was wondering for about 3 years now how they are going to deal with the exponential powercreep and when they are going to address it.


Especially 3.13 with Harvet´s comeback was mindblowing to me and then the nerfs to it was even more mindblowing. What did they expect to happen?
They clearly shot themselves in the foot with that one and its a whats going right now in a nutshell.

However I do understand why they are going down this road although I do disagree on how and when they are doing it. But whatever, Im just here to play a game and have fun. As long as I do have fun, I´ll continue playing the game and throwing some money their way as well.

Having fun is the key so gl and see ya maybe in PoE 2:)

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Orca_Orcinus wrote:

3.15 is not the end of the world, from a game perspective.

The game as of today is worse than it was before legion, for sure, but it is still a playable experience for me.

The nerfs did not have to be made at all (and prolly should not have been), and the game would have been fine, but these particular nerfs are OK.

Except for the fact, that they only affect people that play the game as a game.

Since GGG doesn't understand why the game became popular, and why it continued to gain in popularity, they won't understand why the game is basically now killing itself.

It's way past time for people who play games, specifically PoE to be the only people that make design and development decisions.

I see where you are going but don't necessarily agree with it all.
It's true that the game hurts casuals way more than people who treat the game as a part-time job. Those who're experienced with the game won't feel too much of the nerfs either.

Experienced people know how to play the market, how to price items and how to finish their atlas in days which allows them to farm hundred exalted orbs the first week. It doesn't matter what they do to the game, these people will always have a headhunter and roflstompall content after the first week.

Obviously the game is playable. It's also way better than most early leagues were. Problem is, Expedition was released after the game was at the height of its popularity and to many, it's peak. Had 3.15 been released after Essence league or something, it would probably have been loved because of all the new features added to the game.
The problem with expedition is that there's almost no new features to the game. Instead, they've removed alot of content/made it irrelevant while making older content harder and less accessible. This is a recipe for disaster to majority of players.

Even if more seasoned and experienced players are doing fine this league, assuming they're still playing, long term players seem to hate the patch just as much as casuals.
And it's not hard to see why. Go look at streamers like Grimro, Zizz, Pathofmatth, Ghazzy et.c. They all continue playing the game because it's their job but they've all said the same thing. They're not having as fun this league as they've had in previous leagues. Some streamers have even released videos of the problems with 3.15 and in those, they talk about the problems with player retention, the dead economy and how the game just feels like shit right now to most people.

The game is disliked equally much by experienced and casual players right now.
More than 50% has left the game, simply because it's not fun to most any longer.

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ViolateTheDead wrote:

Why do you care what other people think then? If others are not happy with the direction and voicing their concerns what is it to you? You haven't played the game in years by your own words, came back because you I guess you liked the patch, but instead of playing the game you come here to tell people they are playing the game wrong for the past 5+ years, and then to leave if they don't like the new direction.

I have a strong feeling you bored already, too. I'm not surprised.

I came back during Ultimatum league and abused the fuck out of that league, just like im doing with this league. This league is great.

Your comment is hilarious, ironic. Maybe take your own words of advice ? Why are you sitting here complaining, caring about what i have to say, and telling me what i can and cant do, putting words in my mouth, while you, who doesnt like the game, cant conduct yourself like an adult and leave rather than wasting your times on a forum for a game you dont enjoy ?

True peak irony. Imagine saying "if you like the game soo much you wouldnt be using the forums", meanwhile you dont like the game, arent playing the game, and are using the forums

It makes much more sense that someone who likes the game is going to interact with all aspects of it, rather than the person who hates it interacting with aspects of it instead of moving on and doing something more constructive with their time.

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