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On a serious note, I'll be the first to admit that my support for the patch is partially based upon what the game was originally and changed from. The actual patch does largely fail in what they were trying to do in my opinion, but I believe the effort is worth it. I think it will take many leagues to get this right. They spent 10+ leagues getting to this point, you can't just undo it in one.
If this patch actually represents what they expect the end state to be, then I agree this is problematic. But I believe it to be a stepping stone, not a last stop.
I like this post.
Lots of people demand every patch to be "perfect". Maybe we should, I don't know. But I also see this patch as just one step in a direction. It's hard to see if that direction is good based off of this first step. I really don't mind this patch, and I do like the league mechanics. But I'd be pretty upset if the next league is just "another league", without them continuing the major balance work. Because no matter what their vision is, more work is required if "greater build diversity" is in fact one of their goals.
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Posted byPhrazz#3529on Aug 4, 2021, 7:14:58 AM
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3.13 is not that "powerful". 3.11 is way easier to craft stuff as all people can bank a lot of crafting station
The only small thing GGG introduced in 3.13 is simplified the planning the plot phase as well as Maven Orb. May be it is pinnacle in perma league as people can finally craft their legacy item , but i don't think 3.13 and 3.11 have much different (given 3.13 have the just nerfed alt gem)
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Posted byneohongkong#0222on Aug 4, 2021, 7:15:09 AM
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Considering the vast years amount of power creep GGG has had to balance against, i can see why this patch would be seen as harsh. But it's needed as the power creep was getting out of hand at the expense of the game and Build Diversity.
I completely agree. A come to jesus moment was absolutely necessary for power creep. The bosses and BS they needed to create to combat power creep over the years was getting excessive.
I don't think this was a perfect patch; hell I think they actually failed to hit the target group with it. But I also don't believe this is the last patch to try to address this. There will ebb and flow nerfs/buffs with a trend toward killing off the creep over many leagues in an attempt to get this right.
Players will be lost but I think they are necessary sacrifices for the long term health of the game.
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Posted byNubatron#4333on Aug 4, 2021, 7:17:59 AM
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The game only feels bad because we've been so dependent on the power creep.
At least me can agree on one thing, the game "feels bad"
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Nubatron wrote:
I completely agree. A come to jesus moment was absolutely necessary for power creep. The bosses and BS they needed to create to combat power creep over the years was getting excessive.
I don't think this was a perfect patch; hell I think they actually failed to hit the target group with it. But I also don't believe this is the last patch to try to address this. There will ebb and flow nerfs/buffs with a trend toward killing off the creep over many leagues in an attempt to get this right.
Players will be lost but I think they are necessary sacrifices for the long term health of the game.
To make an omelet you need to crack a few eggs and balanced isn't an exact science and it'll take a few leagues to nail things down.
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Posted byAldarisGrave#7629on Aug 4, 2021, 7:21:33 AM
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Nubatron wrote:
On a serious note, I'll be the first to admit that my support for the patch is partially based upon what the game was originally and changed from. The actual patch does largely fail in what they were trying to do in my opinion, but I believe the effort is worth it. I think it will take many leagues to get this right. They spent 10+ leagues getting to this point, you can't just undo it in one.
If this patch actually represents what they expect the end state to be, then I agree this is problematic. But I believe it to be a stepping stone, not a last stop.
I like this post.
Lots of people demand every patch to be "perfect". Maybe we should, I don't know. But I also see this patch as just one step in a direction. It's hard to see if that direction is good based off of this first step. I really don't mind this patch, and I do like the league mechanics. But I'd be pretty upset if the next league is just "another league", without them continuing the major balance work. Because no matter what their vision is, more work is required if "greater build diversity" is in fact one of their goals.
Let's hope. If next league is zoom-zoom power creep, then this league was mostly smoke and mirrors. I don't know what to expect, but you and I are definitely on the same page in terms of what we're hoping for.
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Posted byNubatron#4333on Aug 4, 2021, 7:22:59 AM
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AldarisGrave wrote:
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I completely agree. A come to jesus moment was absolutely necessary for power creep. The bosses and BS they needed to create to combat power creep over the years was getting excessive.
I don't think this was a perfect patch; hell I think they actually failed to hit the target group with it. But I also don't believe this is the last patch to try to address this. There will ebb and flow nerfs/buffs with a trend toward killing off the creep over many leagues in an attempt to get this right.
Players will be lost but I think they are necessary sacrifices for the long term health of the game.
To make an omelet you need to crack a few eggs and balanced isn't an exact science and it'll take a few leagues to nail things down.
Well a lot of folks definitely are feeling some eggs have been layed here. Plenty of eggs to crack.
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Posted byXtorma#4606on Aug 4, 2021, 7:23:49 AM
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Well a lot of folks definitely are feeling some eggs have been layed here. Plenty of eggs to crack.
Unfortunately they will be sacrificial lambs if GGG sticks to their vision. I can certainly feel their pain in some ways, since as an early player of POE, I felt the zoom meta was a betrayal of what the game was. Players that joined during the zoom power creep phase of POE will feel the same way about this patch, and the new(?) direction of POE.
GGG just needs to pick their horse and stick to it else they'll alienate most everyone.
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Posted byNubatron#4333on Aug 4, 2021, 7:27:44 AM
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I partially agree in terms of people building this nerf into their calculus moving forward and it will become the new normal. That being said, I can't think of a single patch since I started this game (Domination League) that was as harsh as this one in terms of change in player power, except perhaps 3.13 which was a pretty significant increase to player power. I still think this one was more extreme though because this was a hit to players and increase to monster power while 3.13 was just a drastic increase in player power.
Considering the vast years amount of power creep GGG has had to balance against, i can see why this patch would be seen as harsh. But it's needed as the power creep was getting out of hand at the expense of the game and Build Diversity.
dude, i dont know what level of power creep you have experienced, because you literally have no characters higher than level 60 on your account (and this is obviously your main account), never reached endgame, never killed any endgame bosses
and you are talking about power creep.
question is, are you self-aware or you just trolling?
dead game
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Posted byTainted_Fate#2799on Aug 4, 2021, 7:30:20 AM
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dude, i dont know what level of power creep you have experienced, because you literally have no characters higher than level 60 on your account (and this is obviously your main account), never reached endgame, never killed any endgame bosses
and you are talking about power creep.
question is, are you self-aware or you just trolling?
There is nothing in an account that makes it the obvious main account. This isn't my only account, and these are not my only supporter tags, as an example. My other accounts have multiple tags and characters well over 90. They're not my main accounts but could appear to be if I posted with it.
Even further, the list of characters you can see has nothing to do with characters had in the past. I buy a new character slot every league and never really delete. I have no doubt others delete all the time to make space or clear out RIP'd HC characters.
Thanks for all the fish! Last edited by Nubatron#4333 on Aug 4, 2021, 7:34:02 AM
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Posted byNubatron#4333on Aug 4, 2021, 7:32:42 AM
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